Devious GM Fall 1945

Diplomacy where the GM makes a set of unannounced predetermined random changes to the map, rules, etc based on one or more variants. Introduced by Pedros, GMed by Asudevil.

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Devious GM Fall 1945

Postby asudevil » 17 Dec 2015, 05:01

Here are our Fall 45 results.

First off...let me say that all of the vanishing borders were decided before the game even started.

Second off...let me say that all zombie orders are decided immediately following the preceding season before any orders are opened. So any thought that any deviousness is "targeting" a specific player...is horse patooty.

AND now into our results.

POR and MAD are combined to be a new sc of MAD.

We are down to just one mercenary with them getting zombied or kamikazing all over the place.

We again have no retreats and builds are due ASAP, but no later than 12/17 7pm EastCoast time, 5pm Arizona time.

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D Lap – Len----Resolved
D Fin – GOB----Resolved
D Sto – Lap----Resolved
D Osl – Sto----Resolved
D Ham S A Rhi – Mun----Resolved
D NAO – MAO----Bounced
F NTH – Lon----Resolved
A Pic – Par----Resolved
A Rhi – Mun----Bounced
A Ber - (Ham - Hol) – Bel----Resolved
D Cro – Beo----Bounced
A War - (Sol) – War----Resolved
D BLA – Bul----Resolved
D WBS S D Ham----Resolved

France-I Love Italy

Eliminated

Italy-Aeschines

Eliminated

Germany-marsman57

Slo-Hun----Resolved
Tra-Beo----Bounced ZOMBIED

Poland-JonS

Eliminated

Russia-sjg11

Eliminated

Turkey-Gooderian

Eliminated

MINORS

Sweden-sjg11

Eliminated

Spain-marsman57

Eng-Bre----Resolved
MAO sup Eng-Bre----Cut
Mad-Cat----Resolved
Tri-Cro----Bounced ZOMBIED

Czechoslovakia-Aeschines

Eliminated

Yugoslavia-JonS

Eliminated

Rumania-Gooderian

Eliminated

Greece-EpicDim

Eliminated

Egypt-I Love Italy

Duck in ION move to EMS----Resolved

Zombies
SCO-Hold----Resolved
CLY-Hold----Resolved
WAL-Hold----Resolved
LVP-Hold----Resolved
YOR-Hold----Resolved
IRE-Hold----Resolved
PRI-WAR----Resolved
GAL-SLO----Resolved
MUN-BER (support)----Resolved...DISLODGED AUTO DISBAND
SIL-BER (move)----Resolved
BRE-PIC----Resolved
AUS-TRI (support)----Resolved
PIE-TRI (support)----Resolved
PAP-TRI (move)----Resolved
BUC-TRA----Resolved
ATH-Hold----Resolved
BYE-UKR (move)----Resolved
SEV-UKR (support)----Resolved
ARM-ANK (move)----Resolved
SMY-ANK (support)----Resolved
KUR-ANK (support)----Resolved
JER-Hold----Resolved
LIB-Hold----Resolved
TUN-Hold----Resolved

Mercenaries
APU K TRI----Bounced DEAD
ANK Hold---Resolved ZOMBIED
UKR – MOS----Resolved
LIT K PRI----Resolved DEAD

Builds

England 13SC…13units…0builds
France 0SC…0units…ELIMINATED (as far as you know)
Germany 3SC…1units…2build
Poland 0SC…0units…ELIMINATED (as far as you know)
Italy 0SC…0units…ELIMINATED (as far as you know)
Russia 0SC…0units…ELIMINATED (as far as you know)
Turkey 0SC…0units…ELIMINATED (as far as you know)

Spain 4SC…4unit…0builds
Sweden 0SC…0unit…ELIMINATED
Czechoslovakia 0SC…0unit…ELIMINATED
Yugoslavia 0SC…0unit…ELIMINATED
Greece 0SC…0unit…ELIMINATED
Rumania 0SC…0unit…ELIMINATED
Egypt 1SC…1unit…0builds


LOTSS
England 9
Spain 6
Egypt 2
Germany 1


England maintains the lead for LOTSS because of the number of sea spaces he owns
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Re: Devious GM Fall 1945

Postby EpicDim » 17 Dec 2015, 05:40

PRI-WAR----Resolved
MUN-BER (support)----Resolved...DISLODGED AUTO DISBAND
SIL-BER (move)----Resolved

Zombies can't move to Ber and War because those units ornithoptered out before they decided where to move. So in that case, you are targeting a specific player by not following your rules to my detriment. :)

BYE-UKR (move)----Resolved


Didn't move on the map

Also, London and Paris did not change color. I should now own it.
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Re: Devious GM Fall 1945

Postby asudevil » 17 Dec 2015, 05:52

EpicDim wrote:
PRI-WAR----Resolved
MUN-BER (support)----Resolved...DISLODGED AUTO DISBAND
SIL-BER (move)----Resolved

Zombies can't move to Ber and War because those units ornithoptered out before they decided where to move. So in that case, you are targeting a specific player by not following your rules to my detriment. :)

BYE-UKR (move)----Resolved


Didn't move on the map

Also, London did not change color. I should now own it.


Ill change all of them for winter...but see...I do all moves for zombies before I look at the orders.

And that means MUN would have moved to HAM...which would have failed...and SOL moves back to WAR

And I am not changing ANY colors of ANY neutrals because of the build anywhere rules. So you don't own London...its still neutral...similar to you not owning CRO or PAR
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Re: Devious GM Fall 1945

Postby EpicDim » 17 Dec 2015, 05:54

In spring 1945 the territories will be clear enough of rubble and radiation to be passable again. Starting in spring 1946 they will have had enough time to rebuild and if the war is still going, they will be able to once again support troops and be considered a home SC if recaptured by their original owners. However, since there prior leaders were clearly unable to defend them from these terrorist bombs, they are neutral in the war until someone comes to claim them in the standard way. While these cities are cleaning up their nuclear waste, they will not count as SCs for victory conditions.


This never says those spaces stop being SCs and should not be captured as such. It says they can't be used to support troops and it says they don't count towards victory conditions until 1946. But they should be able to be captured like any other space.
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Re: Devious GM Fall 1945

Postby marsman57 » 17 Dec 2015, 06:45

EpicDim wrote:
In spring 1945 the territories will be clear enough of rubble and radiation to be passable again. Starting in spring 1946 they will have had enough time to rebuild and if the war is still going, they will be able to once again support troops and be considered a home SC if recaptured by their original owners. However, since there prior leaders were clearly unable to defend them from these terrorist bombs, they are neutral in the war until someone comes to claim them in the standard way. While these cities are cleaning up their nuclear waste, they will not count as SCs for victory conditions.


This never says those spaces stop being SCs and should not be captured as such. It says they can't be used to support troops and it says they don't count towards victory conditions until 1946. But they should be able to be captured like any other space.


I respectfully disagree with your reading of the rule. I take the entire "However" sentence to be referring to the immediate prior condition of "Staring in Spring 1946...". It would have been more clear if he would have used a semi-colon (..if recaptured by their original owners; however, since...) maybe, but that is not required.
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Re: Devious GM Fall 1945

Postby marsman57 » 17 Dec 2015, 06:48

What was the vanished border this season? I can't seem to find it.

Edit: n/m, I see it is Mad/Por. It wasn't in the adjudication listing though. :)
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Re: Devious GM Fall 1945

Postby asudevil » 17 Dec 2015, 14:14

marsman57 wrote:What was the vanished border this season? I can't seem to find it.

Edit: n/m, I see it is Mad/Por. It wasn't in the adjudication listing though. :)


Will fix it.
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Re: Devious GM Fall 1945

Postby asudevil » 17 Dec 2015, 14:14

marsman57 wrote:
EpicDim wrote:
In spring 1945 the territories will be clear enough of rubble and radiation to be passable again. Starting in spring 1946 they will have had enough time to rebuild and if the war is still going, they will be able to once again support troops and be considered a home SC if recaptured by their original owners. However, since there prior leaders were clearly unable to defend them from these terrorist bombs, they are neutral in the war until someone comes to claim them in the standard way. While these cities are cleaning up their nuclear waste, they will not count as SCs for victory conditions.


This never says those spaces stop being SCs and should not be captured as such. It says they can't be used to support troops and it says they don't count towards victory conditions until 1946. But they should be able to be captured like any other space.


I respectfully disagree with your reading of the rule. I take the entire "However" sentence to be referring to the immediate prior condition of "Staring in Spring 1946...". It would have been more clear if he would have used a semi-colon (..if recaptured by their original owners; however, since...) maybe, but that is not required.


Agreed...when they become SC's they can be captured the normal way. They are not SCs until spring.
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Re: Devious GM Fall 1945

Postby marsman57 » 17 Dec 2015, 15:25

I know you're going to be sad that he rules this way EpicDim, but I think that was nuanced enough to seek a clarification given that you've asked for them fit things I thought much less controversial. ;-)
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Re: Devious GM Fall 1945

Postby EpicDim » 17 Dec 2015, 15:38

I'm not happy, but I'll move on.
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