Canton @ vDip: Game Ends in a Draw!

Involves multiple PbF players, but not an officially sanctioned PbF game, since the adjudication is being done via vDiplomacy (rather than by a human being).

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Canton @ vDip: Game Ends in a Draw!

Postby NoPunIn10Did » 10 May 2019, 16:44

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After seven full years of play, the surviving six players ended the game in a draw.

I will update this thread with a transcript of the post-game Discord chat.
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Re: Canton @ vDip: Game Ends in a Draw!

Postby Don Juan of Austria » 10 May 2019, 17:30

After seven full years of play, the surviving six players ended the game in a draw.

...despite a lot of play ahead...
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Re: Canton @ vDip: Game Ends in a Draw!

Postby NoPunIn10Did » 10 May 2019, 17:38

Don Juan of Austria wrote:
After seven full years of play, the surviving six players ended the game in a draw.

...despite a lot of play ahead...


You agreed to it.
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Re: Canton @ vDip: Game Ends in a Draw!

Postby Aeschines » 10 May 2019, 23:49

Don Juan of Austria wrote:
After seven full years of play, the surviving six players ended the game in a draw.

...despite a lot of play ahead...


I was surprised you didn't take the solo on the platter! (well, the likely solo)
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Re: Canton @ vDip: Game Ends in a Draw!

Postby AKFD » 11 May 2019, 07:41

After seven full years of play, the surviving six players ended the game in a draw.


And the 7th player...
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Re: Canton @ vDip: Game Ends in a Draw!

Postby Don Juan of Austria » 11 May 2019, 12:11

Aeschines wrote:
Don Juan of Austria wrote:
After seven full years of play, the surviving six players ended the game in a draw.

...despite a lot of play ahead...


I was surprised you didn't take the solo on the platter! (well, the likely solo)


no one wanted to keep playing.
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Re: Canton @ vDip: Game Ends in a Draw!

Postby Don Juan of Austria » 11 May 2019, 12:12

NoPunIn10Did wrote:
Don Juan of Austria wrote:
After seven full years of play, the surviving six players ended the game in a draw.

...despite a lot of play ahead...


You agreed to it.


no one wanted to keep playing.
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Re: Canton @ vDip: Game Ends in a Draw!

Postby NoPunIn10Did » 13 May 2019, 15:27

Discord Transcript


Benb77 (TTBen) Last Friday at 8:15 AM
I see we ended... good game all

Enriador Last Friday at 8:23 AM
Yay
So, @everyone . What are your thoughts on Canton? Did you enjoy playing your country?

Aeschines - China Last Friday at 8:24 AM
I enjoyed it! Even if I was pretty out for the count for the last third

NoPunIn10Did (Britain) Last Friday at 8:27 AM
I like the setting. I would have to play it more to get a better feel for it
If anything it plays almost a little too similarly to classic Dip, possibly with even more stalemate possibilities

Benb77 (TTBen) Last Friday at 8:28 AM
Wasn’t one of my favorite games but I probably took some wrong turns strategically early and real life kept me from having the time to generate great alliances, I for the most part felt I was out by myself

NoPunIn10Did (Britain) Last Friday at 8:28 AM
Like I don’t remember playing many variants where an early build phase was skipped outright because SC counts didn’t change

Enriador Last Friday at 8:29 AM
We didn't change partners often
Although I did stab... four times?
Some of them may not even have looked like stabs :thinking:

AKFD (Russia) Last Friday at 8:30 AM
this game was great! although its very sad that i am the only one not part of the draw

Enriador Last Friday at 8:30 AM
You deserved to be in it AFKD. Well played* anyway!

AKFD (Russia) Last Friday at 8:30 AM
:smile:

Benb77 (TTBen) Last Friday at 8:31 AM
My early strategy was team up with either China or Russia whichever established themselves against the other... instead they both pretty much collapsed

AKFD (Russia) Last Friday at 8:31 AM
i now see why this game should be implemented for the main site
I wanted to team up with Japan/France against China tbh

Enriador Last Friday at 8:31 AM
Big thanks to @NoPunIn10Did (Britain) and @clemj/Nanook for helping so much with the setup for this game.

NoPunIn10Did (Britain) Last Friday at 8:31 AM
You really need to make sure you have access to a game on your phone though

AKFD (Russia) Last Friday at 8:31 AM
theen Turkey stabbed me
I'm down for a 2nd game!
with less scs than Heptarchy, and way more simple than Colonial, even more balanced!

Benb77 (TTBen) Last Friday at 8:33 AM
The dynamics with Holland and Japan are certainly a difference from classic
Both have a lot of similarities to England being out there off the mainland

AKFD (Russia) Last Friday at 8:34 AM
combining the 3 filipino centers from colonial makes interaction more interesting
and France! he was buffed a lot!

NoPunIn10Did (Britain) Last Friday at 8:34 AM
Holland being islands-only is very different

Enriador Last Friday at 8:35 AM
I wanted to try out a Franco-Dutch pact for a change. Too often these two just butcher themselves into KAR.

Holland was adamant on going after Britain though, which I think was to benefit Turkey/Japan far more than either B/H.

I made a mini-stab of Britain in Burma after delaying as much as I could. Holland served as a nice buffer for my left flank while I tried to figure out what the hell to do with China/Japan.

Ultimately, Japan felt like the best chip. I stabbed Holland on Borneo, but I don't think they fully realized it. Then Japan and I stabbed each other at the same time a couple turns later, real fun.

Then I tried to halt everything and stop bloody Turkey. Very well played, I think China/Russia fighting helped wonders too.

AKFD (Russia) Last Friday at 8:36 AM
it did! China/Russia fighting was a HUGE blunder for me

Enriador Last Friday at 8:36 AM
First time playing France in Canton. Played it before in Colonial, oh God how I love not having a Chinese army breathing on my neck.

AKFD (Russia) Last Friday at 8:36 AM
caused my downfall, especially when cheeky Turkey stabbed me.

Enriador Last Friday at 8:37 AM
Turkey explored the diplomatic context pretty well
Deserved top-board

Benb77 (TTBen) Last Friday at 8:38 AM
Yeah but that was wide open to him so I’d have been very surprised if he didn’t take it.... changed a lot of the dynamics once Turkey ran free
He did

AKFD (Russia) Last Friday at 8:38 AM
I agree.

Turkey was my longest ally until he took Sev.
And I shouldn't have fought Japan...

NoPunIn10Did (Britain) Last Friday at 8:39 AM
Holland tried so hard to convince me that letting him into WIO was in his best interest. It was, shall we say, a bizarre conversation.

AKFD (Russia) Last Friday at 8:41 AM
nice

Enriador Last Friday at 8:41 AM
Holland's early press was fun

AKFD (Russia) Last Friday at 8:42 AM
Holland's convo with me was...

yes.

patatevolante4 Last Friday at 8:42 AM
I think I did pretty well.

AKFD (Russia) Last Friday at 8:42 AM
i agree, but france had other plans

patatevolante4 Last Friday at 8:42 AM
to stab me?
France???

AKFD (Russia) Last Friday at 8:42 AM
i didnt mean that
i only had that implication

patatevolante4 Last Friday at 8:43 AM
oh, yes.

AKFD (Russia) Last Friday at 8:43 AM
because he took Borneo

Enriador Last Friday at 8:43 AM
I did stab you at Borneo, patatevolante.
It wasn't just to ward off Japan. I am sorry.

patatevolante4 Last Friday at 8:43 AM
that was a mess-up, because his plan was to counter Japan I veileive.
it wasn't?

Enriador Last Friday at 8:43 AM
plot twist

patatevolante4 Last Friday at 8:43 AM
darn.

Enriador Last Friday at 8:44 AM
No, but later on I was sincere with stopping Japan encroaching on you

patatevolante4 Last Friday at 8:44 AM
well, stab or not, I couldn't do anything at this point.

AKFD (Russia) Last Friday at 8:44 AM
i see

patatevolante4 Last Friday at 8:44 AM
you do.

AKFD (Russia) Last Friday at 8:44 AM
:smiley:

Enriador Last Friday at 8:44 AM
True. I agree and I think you did well. The only thing I would change on your place was trying to disentangle yourself off Britain
Because it really didn't do either of you good.

AKFD (Russia) Last Friday at 8:45 AM
i didnt do well somehow, should have engaged with japan more

patatevolante4 Last Friday at 8:45 AM
I was actually going for Turkey, but Britain really didn't want me to.

Enriador Last Friday at 8:46 AM
A sensible thought, but Britain would have reasons to be wary

patatevolante4 Last Friday at 8:46 AM
so he somewhat declared war. It's too bad, becasue once Turkey had eliminated Russia, he had no enemies.
I was only planning to send one or two fleets.

NoPunIn10Did (Britain) Last Friday at 8:46 AM
Uh huh. Sure.

Benb77 (TTBen) Last Friday at 8:46 AM
I tried my hardest to convince Holland to work with me and go after France I truly think we could have done something there but Holland never would have any part in even starting those conversations

patatevolante4 Last Friday at 8:46 AM
yeah see?
I hate starting talks without starting action. and France was nice to me.

Benb77 (TTBen) Last Friday at 8:47 AM
And he surrounded your centers to walk in when he wanted

patatevolante4 Last Friday at 8:47 AM
because then there is a whole bunch of "he will attack you, you should strike first" and all that.
and he support Burma to hold all game. a good show of trust.

Benb77 (TTBen) Last Friday at 8:48 AM
I was in a position that I had to side with one and only one of you to move anywhere

AKFD (Russia) Last Friday at 8:48 AM
also @Benb77 (TTBen), why u take Peking, I could have been part of the draw

Benb77 (TTBen) Last Friday at 8:48 AM
Because Turkey offered
It kept him from moving north

patatevolante4 Last Friday at 8:49 AM
anyways. I have to go. If you guys want to start a new game at some point, count me in!

AKFD (Russia) Last Friday at 8:49 AM
bye patatevolante!

patatevolante4 Last Friday at 8:49 AM
bye.

AKFD (Russia) Last Friday at 8:49 AM
@Benb77 (TTBen) ok then...

I knew that I'd be doomed when I had Peking left
this is very sad

Benb77 (TTBen) Last Friday at 8:51 AM
Russia does appear to be just as tough to play here as it is in Classic.... such a wide spread

AKFD (Russia) Last Friday at 8:53 AM
i see

Enriador Last Friday at 8:59 AM
Russia requires some skill. It's the country with most victories on Conspiracy however.

AKFD (Russia) Last Friday at 8:59 AM
oh I see

Enriador Last Friday at 8:59 AM
It's really tough anyway when you have China/Japan/Turkey to deal with :thinking:

AKFD (Russia) Last Friday at 8:59 AM
I had a lot of bad moves as Russia
but how good did i do?

Benb77 (TTBen) Last Friday at 9:01 AM
You had a goo enough first 2 years I think.... got too reactive to the early jump by China probably

Enriador Last Friday at 9:02 AM
Tough to say, Russia. I didn't see your press, but I am sure you could have been more comunicative because almost everyone I talked to complained you wasn't very talkative.
And you responded me with just a couple of words at times :disappointed:

Benb77 (TTBen) Last Friday at 9:03 AM
Yeah once it started going bad it seemed you shut down

AKFD (Russia) Last Friday at 9:03 AM
Sadly.

Benb77 (TTBen) Last Friday at 9:04 AM
Part of that may have been the discord issue

AKFD (Russia) Last Friday at 9:04 AM
I'm the youngest of all the players here, am I?
And the travel issue

Enriador Last Friday at 11:16 AM
Justified, surely!
Everyone is invited to a game of Canton when the graphical rework launches

AKFD (Russia) Last Friday at 11:17 AM
yes
count me in!
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