Nomic 5 - Proposal 303: "Party Time"

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Nomic 5 - Proposal 303: "Party Time"

Postby Pagane » 20 Feb 2014, 21:42

Proposal 303 V2.1 wrote:
On the Formation and Function of Political Parties.

I) On the Existence of Parties.
-A) In Nomic 5, there exist Parties.
-B ) A Party is defined as a group of players who publicly agree to follow their party’s platform.
-C) A Party must always have a minimum of 2 members.
-D) Active players may belong to 0 or 1 Party at any given time.
-E) Inactive players are ineligible for membership in any Party.

II) On the Formation of Parties
-A) A player seeking to found a Party must announce the intended Party’s name and function in the thread of a Proposal.
-B ) If another player announces that he will join that Party upon formation, then the proposed Party is now termed ‘In Utero.’ Players may recant their affiliation with the In Utero Party at any time in the same thread.
-C) If, at the conclusion of the proposal process in which the In Utero Party was announced, there remains 2 or more professed members of the In Utero Party, then the Party is Formed.
--1) A Formed Party is given a pinned thread in the Nomic 5 forum to discuss their platform.
---a) Only Party Members may post in this thread. If a player who is not in the Party posts in the Party Thread, then that player loses 2 points for each post the player made in the thread in question.
-D) Upon an In Utero Party becoming a Formed Party, the Party Leader has 48 hours to present a Platform. If the Platform is not approved by the majority of the Party Members, then the Party Leader has another 48 hours to propose a new Platform.
-E) Players may at any time post in the current Proposal's thread their new Party Membership, immediately joining the Party. This clause is Narfable.

III) On the Structure of Parties
-A) A Formed Party must have a professed Platform.
--1) The Platform, in its current form, must be posted at the top of the Party thread.
--2) The Platform is proposed by the Party Leader and voted on by the Party Members. This clause is Narfable.
---A) Should a majority of the Party Members(excluding the Party Leader) vote to approve the new Platform, then it is adopted,
--3) The Platform must state the goals and intentions of the Party.
--4) The Platform may make requirements for Party Members.
---a) The Party may impose penalties on Members who do not comply with the Party's requirements. The penalties must be specified in the Platform. This clause is Narfable.
----i) The Party Leader is responsible for enforcing the penalties.
----ii) The Party's penalties may not change a player's current score. This clause is Narfable.
----iii) The Party's penalties may include a player's suspension, expulsion or even permanent ban from membership within the Party. This clause is Narfable.
-B ) A Party must have a Party Leader.
--1) The Party Leader is elected during the Elections. This clause is Narfable.
--- a) After the conclusion of a Round(namely, the conclusion of the turn of the last player on the Roster), there is a 48 hour period known as Elections, during which party members vote for the member of their party who they desire to be the Party Leader.
--- b) Should there be a tie in the vote, the Party Member with greater Seniority becomes Party Leader. This clause is Narfable.
---- i) Seniority is defined as the consecutive length of time that a player has been a Party Member in the Party in question. This clause is Narfable.
----ii) When applicable, the In Utero stage of the Party may be considered when determining Seniority. This clause is Narfable.
---- iii) A Party Leader is technically also a Party Member.
---c) Upon the Formation of the Party, the Party Member who originally proposed the Party is designated Party Leader until the next Election. This clause is Narfable.
-- 2) The purpose of the Party Leader is to propose amendments to the Party Platform at his discretion. This clause is Narfable.

IV) On the Function of Parties
- A) A Party’s purpose is to achieve the goal(s) set out in the Party Platform. This clause is Narfable.
- B ) Should any Party reach a membership that exceeds half of the total players of Nomic 5, that Party is designated as the Majority.
-- 1) The Party Leader of the Majority is designated as the Majority Leader.

V) On the Disbanding of Parties
-A) Should a Party's membership ever decline below 2 Members, then the Party is Disbanded.
--1 ) A Disbanded Party ceases to exist, effective immediately.
-B ) A Party Member may leave the Party at any time by posting their decision in the current Proposal thread. This clause is Narfable.
-C) The Party Thread for a Disbanded Party is unpinned and locked.














Proposal 303 V2.0 wrote:
On the Formation and Function of Political Parties.

I) On the Existence of Parties.
-A) In Nomic 5, there exist Parties.
-B ) A Party is defined as a group of players who publicly agree to follow their party’s platform.
-C) A Party must always have a minimum of 2 members.
-D) Active players may belong to 0 or 1 Party at any given time.
-E) Inactive players are ineligible for membership in any Party.

II) On the Formation of Parties
-A) A player seeking to found a Party must announce the intended Party’s name and function in the thread of a Proposal.
-B ) If another player announces that he will join that Party upon formation, then the proposed Party is now termed ‘In Utero.’ Players may recant their affiliation with the In Utero Party at any time in the same thread.
-C) If, at the conclusion of the proposal process in which the In Utero Party was announced, there remains 2 or more professed members of the In Utero Party, then the Party is Formed.
--1) A Formed Party is given a pinned thread in the Nomic 5 forum to discuss their platform.
---a) Only Party Members may post in this thread. If a player who is not in the Party posts in the Party Thread, then that player loses 2 points for each post the player made in the thread in question.
-D) Upon an In Utero Party becoming a Formed Party, the Party Leader has 48 hours to present a Platform. If the Platform is not approved by the majority of the Party Members, then the Party Leader has another 48 hours to propose a new Platform.
-E) Players may at any time post in the current Proposal's thread their new Party Membership, immediately joining the Party. This clause is Narfable.

III) On the Structure of Parties
-A) A Formed Party must have a professed Platform.
--1) The Platform, in its current form, must be posted at the top of the Party thread.
--2) The Platform is proposed by the Party Leader and voted on by the Party Members. This clause is Narfable.
---A) Should a majority of the Party Members(excluding the Party Leader) vote to approve the new Platform, then it is adopted,
--3) The Platform must state the goals and intentions of the Party.
--4) The Platform may make requirements for Party Members.
-B ) A Party must have a Party Leader.
--1) The Party Leader is elected during the Elections. This clause is Narfable.
--- a) After the conclusion of a Round(namely, the conclusion of the turn of the last player on the Roster), there is a 48 hour period known as Elections, during which party members vote for the member of their party who they desire to be the Party Leader.
--- b) Should there be a tie in the vote, the Party Member with greater Seniority becomes Party Leader. This clause is Narfable.
---- i) Seniority is defined as the consecutive length of time that a player has been a Party Member in the Party in question. This clause is Narfable.
---- ii) A Party Leader is technically also a Party Member.
---c) Upon the Formation of the Party, the Party Member who originally proposed the Party is designated Party Leader until the next Election. This clause is Narfable.
-- 2) The purpose of the Party Leader is to propose amendments to the Party Platform at his discretion. This clause is Narfable.

IV) On the Function of Parties
- A) A Party’s purpose is to achieve the goal(s) set out in the Party Platform. This clause is Narfable.
- B ) Should any Party reach a membership that exceeds half of the total players of Nomic 5, that Party is designated as the Majority.
-- 1) The Party Leader of the Majority is designated as the Majority Leader.

V) On the Disbanding of Parties
-A) Should a Party's membership ever decline below 2 Members, then the Party is Disbanded.
--1 ) A Disbanded Party ceases to exist, effective immediately.
-B ) A Party Member may leave the Party at any time by posting their decision in the current Proposal thread. This clause is Narfable.
-C) The Party Thread for a Disbanded Party is unpinned and locked.








Proposal 303 V1.1 wrote:PROPOSAL

On the Formation and Function of Political Parties.

I) On the Existence of Parties.
-A) In Nomic 5, there exist Parties.
-B ) A Party is defined as a group of players who publicly agree to follow their party’s platform.
-C) A Party must always have a minimum of 2 members.

II) On the Formation of Parties
-A) A player seeking to found a Party must announce the intended Party’s name and function in the thread of a Proposal.
-B ) If another player announces that he will join that Party upon formation, then the proposed Party is now termed ‘In Utero.’
-C) If, at the conclusion of the proposal process in which the In Utero Party was announced, there remains 2 or more professed members of the In Utero Party, then the Party is Formed.
--1) A Formed Party is given a pinned thread in the Nomic 5 forum to discuss their platform.
-D) Players may at any time post in the current Proposal's thread their new Party Membership, immediately joining the Party. This clause is Narfable.

III) On the Structure of Parties
-A) A Formed Party must have a professed Platform.
--1) The Platform, in its current form, must be posted at the top of the Party thread.
--2) The Platform is proposed by the Party Leader and voted on by the Party Members. This clause is Narfable.
--3) The Platform must state the goals and intentions of the Party.
--4) The Platform may make requirements for Party Members.
-B ) A Party must have a Party Leader.
--1) The Party Leader is elected during the Elections. This clause is Narfable.
--- a) After the conclusion of a Round(namely, the conclusion of the turn of the last player on the Roster), there is a 48 hour period known as Elections, during which party members vote for the member of their party who they desire to be the Party Leader.
--- b) Should there be a tie in the vote, the Party Member with greater Seniority becomes Party Leader. This clause is Narfable.
---- i) Seniority is defined as the consecutive length of time that a player has been a Party Member.
---- ii) A Party Leader is technically also a Party Member.
---c) Upon the Formation of the Party, the Party Founder is designated Party Leader until the next Election. This clause is Narfable.
-- 2) The purpose of the Party Leader is to propose amendments to the Party Platform at his discretion. This clause is Narfable.

IV) On the Function of Parties
- A) A Party’s purpose is to achieve the goal(s) set out in the Party Platform.
- B ) Should any Party reach a membership that exceeds half of the total players of Nomic 5, that Party is designated as the Majority.
-- 1) The Party Leader of the Majority is designated as the Majority Leader.
-- 2) Any Party that achieves this Majority may also be referred to as The Shit.

V) On the Disbanding of Parties
-A) Should a Party's membership ever decline below 2 Members, then the Party is Disbanded.
--1 ) A Disbanded Party ceases to exist, effective immediately.
-B ) A Party Member may leave the Party at any time by posting their decision in the current Proposal thread. This clause is Narfable.








Original Proposal 303 wrote:PROPOSAL

On the Formation and Function of Political Parties.

I) On the Existence of Parties.
-A) In Nomic 5, there exist Parties.
-B ) A Party is defined as a group of players who publicly agree to follow their party’s platform.
-C) A Party must always have a minimum of 2 members.

II) On the Formation of Parties
-A) A player seeking to found a Party must announce the intended Party’s name and function in the thread of a Proposal.
-B ) If another player announces that he will join that Party upon formation, then the proposed Party is now termed ‘In Utero.’
-C) If, at the conclusion of the proposal process in which the In Utero Party was announced, there remains 2 or more professed members of the In Utero Party, then the Party is Formed.
--1) A Formed Party is given a pinned thread in the Nomic 5 forum to discuss their platform.
-D) Players may at any time post in the current Proposal's thread their new Party Membership, immediately joining the Party.

III) On the Structure of Parties
-A) A Formed Party must have a professed Platform.
--1) The Platform, in its current form, must be posted at the top of the Party thread.
--2) The Platform is proposed by the Party Leader and voted on by the Party Members.
--3) The Platform must state the goals and intentions of the Party.
--4) The Platform may make requirements for Party Members.
-B ) A Party must have a Party Leader.
--1) The Party Leader is elected during the Elections.
--- a) After the conclusion of a Round(namely, the conclusion of the turn of the last player on the Roster), there is a 48 hour period known as Elections, during which party members vote for the member of their party who they desire to be the Party Leader.
--- b) Should there be a tie in the vote, the Party Member with greater Seniority becomes Party Leader.
---- i) Seniority is defined as the consecutive length of time that a player has been a Party Member.
---- ii) A Party Leader is technically also a Party Member.
---c) Upon the Formation of the Party, the Party Founder is designated Party Leader until the next Election.
-- 2) The purpose of the Party Leader is to propose amendments to the Party Platform at his discretion.

IV) On the Function of Parties
- A) A Party’s purpose is to achieve the goal(s) set out in the Party Platform.
- B ) Should any Party reach a membership that exceeds half of the total players of Nomic 5, that Party is designated as the Majority.
-- 1) The Party Leader of the Majority is designated as the Majority Leader.
-- 2) Any Party that achieves this Majority may also be referred to as The Shit.

V) On the Disbanding of Parties
-A) Should a Party's membership ever decline below 2 Members, then the Party is Disbanded.
--1 ) A Disbanded Party ceases to exist, effective immediately.
-B ) A Party Member may leave the Party at any time by posting their decision in the current Proposal thread.
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Re: Nomic 5 - Proposal 303: "Party Time"

Postby Pagane » 20 Feb 2014, 21:46

The purpose of this proposal is simple: let's give players the ability to publicly rally together around their goals in this game, whether those goals involve changing the win conditions, working references to Lewis Carroll into the game, or forcing Crunkus to wear a silly hat in his avatar.

I'd also like to see how this changes the game's landscape over time. Curiosity may have killed the cat, but I'm willing to take that risk.



Thoughts and feedback would be greatly appreciated!
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Re: Nomic 5 - Proposal 303: "Party Time"

Postby Pagane » 20 Feb 2014, 21:55

V1.1: Made several clauses Narfable.
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Re: Nomic 5 - Proposal 303: "Party Time"

Postby Ugluk » 21 Feb 2014, 04:01

I.C "A Party must always have a minimum of 2 members."

How is this enforced?

II.C " If, at the conclusion of the proposal process in which the In Utero Party was announced, there remains 2 or more professed members of the In Utero Party, then the Party is Formed."

What would cause a professed member to no longer be a professed member?

II.D "Players may at any time post in the current Proposal's thread their new Party Membership, immediately joining the Party. This clause is Narfable."

Party members may not reject prospective members?

[b]Proposed Additions. by His Inestimable Honor Ugluk:


Active players may belong to zero (0) or one (1) Party at any time.
Inactive players are not eligible for Party membership, and are withdrawn from any Party of which they were a member prior to becoming Inactive.
Disbanded Parties shall have their forum thread unpinned and locked.
Strike IV.B.2
Mascots.
Make IV.A narfable.
B.1.a.i should read "Seniority within a Party is measured as the longest contiguous time span for which a Player has been a Party Member within that Party." Or the most recent duration, if you prefer.

These suggestions are narfable.
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Re: Nomic 5 - Proposal 303: "Party Time"

Postby Crunkus » 21 Feb 2014, 05:34

If someone proposes a party, and I join it then immediately disavow it, have I just actively disbanded the party?
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Re: Nomic 5 - Proposal 303: "Party Time"

Postby Crunkus » 21 Feb 2014, 05:35

Crunkus wrote:If someone proposes a party, and I join it then immediately disavow it, have I just actively disbanded the party?


Only if by immediately you mean immediately after the proposal phase in which the party was formed, and that party only had 2 members when it was formed including yourself.
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Re: Nomic 5 - Proposal 303: "Party Time"

Postby Crunkus » 21 Feb 2014, 05:35

Crunkus wrote:Only if by immediately you mean immediately after the proposal phase in which the party was formed, and that party only had 2 members when it was formed including yourself.


Oh, right. Thank you.
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Re: Nomic 5 - Proposal 303: "Party Time"

Postby Crunkus » 21 Feb 2014, 05:36

Crunkus wrote:Oh, right. Thank you.


Not a problem.
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Re: Nomic 5 - Proposal 303: "Party Time"

Postby super_dipsy » 21 Feb 2014, 07:30

Interesting proposal! We had discussions in one of the other games about parties.

I have put my comments inline. These are not intended to be criticisms, just questions or suggestions on areas to tighten up.

And by the way, I can see nothing in the rules saying as an inactive player I can't comment :) . And since I become active as soon as I vote anyway, then an inactive player can be relevant to the proposal phase!


I) On the Existence of Parties.
-A) In Nomic 5, there exist Parties.
-B ) A Party is defined as a group of players who publicly agree to follow their party’s platform.
Can inactive players join parties or do you want to restrict to active players?
-C) A Party must always have a minimum of 2 members.

II) On the Formation of Parties
-A) A player seeking to found a Party must announce the intended Party’s name and function in the thread of a Proposal.
-B ) If another player announces that he will join that Party upon formation, then the proposed Party is now termed ‘In Utero.’
-C) If, at the conclusion of the proposal process in which the In Utero Party was announced, there remains 2 or more professed members of the In Utero Party, then the Party is Formed.
--1) A Formed Party is given a pinned thread in the Nomic 5 forum to discuss their platform.
What is top stop any player, active or inactive, from posting here? Or is this OK?
-D) Players may at any time post in the current Proposal's thread their new Party Membership, immediately joining the Party. This clause is Narfable.
Can you join as many parties as you like? Or are you restricted to one?

III) On the Structure of Parties
-A) A Formed Party must have a professed Platform.
I am struggling with this bit. First, whenever you say 'must' you need to say what the penalty is for non-compliance. Is it that the party does not exist, or dies if the condition is not met in a certain time? Are the party members penalized in terms of points or playing penalties? What is the timeframe for this Platform to be posted? Since a party is formed at the conclusion of a proposal phase, your current reading says that at that very second there must be a new thread and a platform. Might I suggest you give some time limit such as 24 hours?
--1) The Platform, in its current form, must be posted at the top of the Party thread.
--2) The Platform is proposed by the Party Leader and voted on by the Party Members. This clause is Narfable.
Sorry to be a nit-pcicker, but after all that is partly what Nomic is about. I think you need to clarify how the vote is judged. Does it matter what people vote or can the party leader simply ignore the voting? If the vote decides the result, what majority is required? Does the party leader have a casting vote?
--3) The Platform must state the goals and intentions of the Party.
..or...
--4) The Platform may make requirements for Party Members.
-B ) A Party must have a Party Leader.
--1) The Party Leader is elected during the Elections. This clause is Narfable.
--- a) After the conclusion of a Round(namely, the conclusion of the turn of the last player on the Roster), there is a 48 hour period known as Elections, during which party members vote for the member of their party who they desire to be the Party Leader.
--- b) Should there be a tie in the vote, the Party Member with greater Seniority becomes Party Leader. This clause is Narfable.
---- i) Seniority is defined as the consecutive length of time that a player has been a Party Member.
Umm. I would argue that since the party is formed at a point in time (the end of the proposal phase if it has at least 2 members) then all the players who agreed to be in the party within that phase have the same seniority. Or did you mean seniority being decided based on when a player first expressed their agreement to be in such a party?
---- ii) A Party Leader is technically also a Party Member.
---c) Upon the Formation of the Party, the Party Founder is designated Party Leader until the next Election. This clause is Narfable.
Is the party founder the person who proposed it? One could argue that since the party requires at least 2 willing players before it is formed, they are the joint founders. Perhaps say the proposer?
-- 2) The purpose of the Party Leader is to propose amendments to the Party Platform at his discretion. This clause is Narfable.
And I assume to propose the initial platform? Or does the first party leader write this unopposed?

IV) On the Function of Parties
- A) A Party’s purpose is to achieve the goal(s) set out in the Party Platform.
I don't really understand the implications of this statement. Is this just purely cosmetic? Or does the purpose have some effect on a party member's actions? Such as always having to vote the same way as the party leader if the proposal can be deemed to fit with the party goals or something?
- B ) Should any Party reach a membership that exceeds half of the total players of Nomic 5, that Party is designated as the Majority.
-- 1) The Party Leader of the Majority is designated as the Majority Leader.
-- 2) Any Party that achieves this Majority may also be referred to as The Shit.

V) On the Disbanding of Parties
-A) Should a Party's membership ever decline below 2 Members, then the Party is Disbanded.
Active only? Or can Inactive players keep it alive?
--1 ) A Disbanded Party ceases to exist, effective immediately.
-B ) A Party Member may leave the Party at any time by posting their decision in the current Proposal thread. This clause is Narfable.
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Re: Nomic 5 - Proposal 303: "Party Time"

Postby Pagane » 21 Feb 2014, 20:35

Thanks for the feedback!

Ugluk wrote:I.C "A Party must always have a minimum of 2 members."

How is this enforced?

V.A: If membership dips below 2, the Party's disbanded.

Ugluk wrote:II.C " If, at the conclusion of the proposal process in which the In Utero Party was announced, there remains 2 or more professed members of the In Utero Party, then the Party is Formed."

What would cause a professed member to no longer be a professed member?

If they recant their affiliation with the In Utero Party. I added some language specifying that this is possible.

Ugluk wrote:Party members may not reject prospective members?
Nope, but in the Party Platform they can make requirements of players. If the player doesn't meet those requirements, then the Party can disallow them to join if that's the penalty stated in the Platform.

Thanks for the other suggestions, Ugluk- especially this one:
Ugluk wrote:Make IV.A narfable.
Imagine a Thing that you can use to force Parties to have additional goals...
As for mascots: I won't add any language requiring mascots. I'll let the players themselves figure out mascots, colors, flags, or any other flavor they want in their party!

Dipsy wrote:Can inactive players join parties or do you want to restrict to active players?

Language has been added to restrict membership to active players.

Dipsy wrote:--1) A Formed Party is given a pinned thread in the Nomic 5 forum to discuss their platform.
What is top stop any player, active or inactive, from posting here? Or is this OK?

I don't want non-Party members posting in a party's thread- I'll add a penalty for doing so.

Dipsy wrote:Can you join as many parties as you like? Or are you restricted to one?

Added language requiring players to be a member of either 0 or 1 Party.

Dipsy wrote:-A) A Formed Party must have a professed Platform.
I am struggling with this bit. First, whenever you say 'must' you need to say what the penalty is for non-compliance. Is it that the party does not exist, or dies if the condition is not met in a certain time? Are the party members penalized in terms of points or playing penalties? What is the timeframe for this Platform to be posted? Since a party is formed at the conclusion of a proposal phase, your current reading says that at that very second there must be a new thread and a platform. Might I suggest you give some time limit such as 24 hours?

I added a 48 hour time limit requiring the Party Leader to propose a Platform. If the Platform is rejected, then he has 48 more hours.

Dipsy wrote:Sorry to be a nit-pcicker, but after all that is partly what Nomic is about. I think you need to clarify how the vote is judged. Does it matter what people vote or can the party leader simply ignore the voting? If the vote decides the result, what majority is required? Does the party leader have a casting vote?

Added language defining that a simple majority of party members(excluding the Party Leader) is needed for a proposed Platform to be adopted.

Dipsy wrote:--3) The Platform must state the goals and intentions of the Party.
..or...
--4) The Platform may make requirements for Party Members.

This one I don't' see a need to change: a Party MUST have a stated goal, and it MAY make requirements of its members. This implies that a Party's only stated goal could be to get players to follow the party's player requirements. I want to give Parties as much free reign as possible with their purpose.

Dipsy wrote:---- i) Seniority is defined as the consecutive length of time that a player has been a Party Member.
Umm. I would argue that since the party is formed at a point in time (the end of the proposal phase if it has at least 2 members) then all the players who agreed to be in the party within that phase have the same seniority. Or did you mean seniority being decided based on when a player first expressed their agreement to be in such a party?

If you've got 2 players tied in the election for Party Leader, then the one who has been a Party Member longer(even if it's only longer by 5 minutes) wins. So yes, if they both joined in the same thread then you have to go to the thread and see who posted his affiliation with the party first.

Dipsy wrote:Is the party founder the person who proposed it? One could argue that since the party requires at least 2 willing players before it is formed, they are the joint founders. Perhaps say the proposer?

Good point. I'll change the language from "Founder" to "Proposer."

Dipsy wrote:And I assume to propose the initial platform? Or does the first party leader write this unopposed?

As per one of your earlier questions, I required the initial Party Leader to propose a Platform to be voted on within 48 hours of the Party's Formation.

Dipsy wrote:I don't really understand the implications of this statement. Is this just purely cosmetic? Or does the purpose have some effect on a party member's actions? Such as always having to vote the same way as the party leader if the proposal can be deemed to fit with the party goals or something?

A Party may make requirements of its members to that effect. A Party must have a purpose, a reason to exist. This defines that purpose to be the achievement of the goals in the Platform. It's not a crucial clause to the proposal, but it reinforces that need for Party goals.


Dipsy wrote:Active only? Or can Inactive players keep it alive?

Active only. Added language stating that inactive players are ineligible for Party Membership.
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