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Re: General Domestic Issues

Postby jonisilk » 05 Sep 2019, 20:00

Press Release:

The PCG’s most recent update for this financial window advises that profits for the period are expected to be hit by the Corporations recent arrangement to establish and co-fund a free healthcare system in and for the nation of Deseret.

The 70 year commitment allows plenty of time for the nations economy to grow sufficiently, so that running costs can be moved onto Deseret as and when it becomes able to support them.

Surprisingly, the move, though it would appear to be costing the Corporation around 250-300 bn p/a (though that number is expected to come down once initial construction projects have concluded) has won the governing body a lot of domestic support from the citizenry, who say they are encouraged to see the Corporation continue to put "people ahead of profits".
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Re: General Domestic Issues

Postby RedSun » 06 Sep 2019, 11:03

The Process for Explaining Elections for the Kokkai and to chose members for the Shingikai have been outlined previously.
However, now the major political reforms in the Holy State have been made. While Religious Institutions play a large role in making sure the country remains stable there is a large amount of power placed in the Kokkai.
The Holy State is now a truly Democratic Theocracy.

Declaration #67
September 4th, 4871

The following Major Political Bodies have been created:

The Kokkai - The Parliament
The Daihyo - Member of Parliament
The Shingikai - The Council of Seijin
The SI - Commission of Elections
The Daitoryo - President
The Naikaku - The Cabinet
The Kaicho - Chairman

Declaration #68
November 8th, 4871

The Kokkai is represented by 45 Daihyo. Election process outlined in prior declarations.
The two largest parties shall appoint a Party Leader.
The Kokkai as a whole will elect a Kaicho.
The Kaicho is the leader of the Kokkai. They monitor debate and serve as a tiebreaker.
The Majority Leader and Minority Leader are in charge of their parties and propose bills to the Kaicho who shall determine the debate schedule. At least one minority bill must be debated per three majority bills.
Any bill that has the support of 23 Daihyo will be passed.
31 Daihyo with the Daitoryo have the ability to remove a Seijin but this power can only be used once per Session.

Declaration #69
November 15th, 4871

The Shingikai has 10 Seijin and an Ichiji Seijin.
The Ichiji Seijin is the Head of State and the Head of Religion.
All Seijin serve for life unless removed by the vote of 31 Daihyo.
When a Seijin dies his replacement is chosen by the other Seijin, the Ichiji Seijin has no say.
When the Ichiji Seijin dies then the eldest Seijin replaces him/her. The replacement Ichiji Seijin has no say in deciding the Seijin that takes his or her place.
The Ichiji Seijin may declare laws contrary to the beliefs of Gray Book Janisism and strike them down.
7 Seijin may declare laws contrary to the beliefs of Gray Book Janisism and strike them down.
The Ichiji Seijin with the support of 6 Seijin may issue declarations that may be blocked by 31 Daihyo and the President.

Declaration #70
November 22nd, 4871

The SI (Commission of Elections) has 12 members. 3 members are appointed by the Ichiji Seijin, 3 members are appointed by the Seijin, 5 members are elected based upon popular vote by the people, 1 member chosen by the Kaicho.
The SI is in charge of changing election rules and approving candidates.
7 SI members must support a measure for it to pass.

Declaration #71
November 29th, 4871

The Daitoryo (President) is the Head of Government. Elected every 10 years by popular vote and may not be re-elected.
They fill out the Department Leadership in the Naikaku with the approval of the Kokkai.
Any bill passed in the Kokkai must be approved by the Daitoryo.

Declaration #72
December 6th, 4871

Naikaku is the body of leaders of the different departments. They serve under the Daitoryo and may be replaced at his/her discretion. However, new members must be approved by the Kokkai.

Declaration #73
December 13th, 4871

Snap Elections will be held in 4875 for the Daihyo.
Declaration #65 when it says there will be elections for Group A in 4880 has been striked out.
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Re: General Domestic Issues

Postby jonisilk » 06 Sep 2019, 11:29

Breaking News.

Meurig Halloran has announced his intention to travel to Asteria for the first time in his presidency. The announcement comes hot on the heels of news that a snap election is to be held across the nation.

The President, who has long been a vocal critic of the Holy State and the manner in which they took power, is said to have welcomed Asteria's return to a democratic system, that will see the first election in the country take place, since the Holy State first seized power by force.

Speculation abounds that this visit by President Halloran represents a breakthrough in the relationship between the two nations, but some are at pains to point out that the President has not yet made any official statement on the matter, and much of the Corporations business with Asteria is still being handled by Managing Director, Giordano Sohl.
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Re: General Domestic Issues

Postby Subotai45 » 06 Sep 2019, 14:04

"Democratic" - you risk legitimizing the government by these actions. Power is still overwhelmingly vested in the unelected religious class. The Seijin have massive influence over the process, and their unelected leader can strike down any law that does not fit his particular belief. They even have absurd electoral influence, with control over half the members of the electoral board.
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Re: General Domestic Issues

Postby jonisilk » 06 Sep 2019, 15:06

President Halloran has long been amongst the most vocal critics of the Holy State, and his visit should not be viewed as an endorsement of that regime.

Asteria and the PCG have long been economic allies. If that relationship is to continue in any meaningful way, then a common ground must be found.

As a critic of the current leadership, it is felt that President Halloran is the individual best capable of representing the Corporation and it's concerns, as they are concerns he personally shares. Only by addressing these concerns, can the relationship between the Corporation and Asteria return to a better place.

The move to return to a democratic system, however loosely that term fits, still represents a step in the right direction and we hope this will be only a starting point from which a more truly democratic system will be able to take shape and emerge in the coming years.
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Re: General Domestic Issues

Postby RedSun » 06 Sep 2019, 15:06

Subotai45 wrote:"Democratic" - you risk legitimizing the government by these actions. Power is still overwhelmingly vested in the unelected religious class. The Seijin have massive influence over the process, and their unelected leader can strike down any law that does not fit his particular belief. They even have absurd electoral influence, with control over half the members of the electoral board.


Uh, the Seijin have a selection process:
Saishi are chosen by their congregation democratically.
The Kurerikku are chosen from the Saishi by vote by all the Saishi but must be approved by the Shingikai.
The Seijin is almost always a Kurerikku. Although not legally required there has not been an instance where a Seijin has not been a Kurerikku. It would almost be impossible to get the support of all the Seijin without being one.
So all the candidates have been chosen through a tiered semi-democratic system. West Africa has a tiered democracy, the difference here is its a religious selection process. No partisan politics and just dedication to Janisism.
Also there is a check on the Seijin because the Kokkai and Daitoryo can remove them.

The SI exists so that the rules for elections can’t be rewritten arbitrarily but can be altered if necessary. Half of them belong to the religious leadership as they are non-partisan. The other half is partisan so that the parties can block them if they try to completely slant the electoral process or demolish it.

Our system is a mixture of partisan secularism and non-partisan religious leadership. It’s a complex system and a delicate balance of power.

Is the Holy State a democracy in the same way as classical Europe or the United States. No, because it’s not secular. However, the Holy State does have a number of checks on all the branches of power and none of the leaders are selected based upon birth. They are all based through a tiered democratic system. Direct democracy is chaos, we are a managed and therefore healthy democratic system.

EDIT: Also actually a lot of the power is vested in the democratic body. It’s just that the religious institutions are a check on their abilities to make sure they don’t do anything radical, and as said previously their electoral capabilities are because it’s assumed that partisan groups shouldn’t dominate electoral rules. We don’t really have a Constitution that needs 2/3rds Majority or something like that. So without the SI and Shingikai. The majority party could just pass any law they like and ban the other party or change the electoral process etc. at their own whims.
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Re: General Domestic Issues

Postby mat.gopack » 06 Sep 2019, 15:17

I think you are missing a point there - the Seijin, legally, are the ones to elect the next Seijin with 0 oversight or input from other parts of your political process where the people's votes can come into effect. The closest you have to that is the way that the Parliament can remove one - but only one - from office per legislative session, and whose replacement will again be elected by the other members.

Seijin have no vetting process by elected officials past that, and although you state that *tradition* entails that they are selected from a pool of candidates that's ultimately initially elected, that means little in the grand scheme of things. It's still a small council that holds incredible power with no actual democratic input or real oversight - and able to, at will, remove laws.

Eg, Saishi are elected by their congregation you say. Are they subject to recall votes? What about the Kurekiku? Why not make it legally required that the Seijin can only be selected from the Kurekiku, or have the Kurekiku as a whole be the ones to elect the next Seijins?

You don't have to have position be dictated by birth to be un-democratic. I think you could make the claim that you've got a veneer of democracy in each of your branches if you had new Seijin subject to a confirmatory vote in your Parliament or something though (similar to a US supreme court justice's appointment process)
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Re: General Domestic Issues

Postby RedSun » 07 Sep 2019, 07:51

mat.gopack wrote:I think you are missing a point there - the Seijin, legally, are the ones to elect the next Seijin with 0 oversight or input from other parts of your political process where the people's votes can come into effect. The closest you have to that is the way that the Parliament can remove one - but only one - from office per legislative session, and whose replacement will again be elected by the other members.

Seijin have no vetting process by elected officials past that, and although you state that *tradition* entails that they are selected from a pool of candidates that's ultimately initially elected, that means little in the grand scheme of things. It's still a small council that holds incredible power with no actual democratic input or real oversight - and able to, at will, remove laws.

Eg, Saishi are elected by their congregation you say. Are they subject to recall votes? What about the Kurekiku? Why not make it legally required that the Seijin can only be selected from the Kurekiku, or have the Kurekiku as a whole be the ones to elect the next Seijins?

You don't have to have position be dictated by birth to be un-democratic. I think you could make the claim that you've got a veneer of democracy in each of your branches if you had new Seijin subject to a confirmatory vote in your Parliament or something though (similar to a US supreme court justice's appointment process)


Saishi are for life.
Kurerikku are until removed by the Shingikai or the Council of Saishi.
I may make it legally required to pick from the Kurerikku but the power to pick will still be vested with the Seijin (but not the Ichiji Seijin).

We can’t do a confirmatory vote since that makes it political. We have the 31 vote threshold and 1 removal per session since then one party would be able to just remake the entire bench at some point. The goal of the Shingikai is to be a non-political body.
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Re: General Domestic Issues

Postby Subotai45 » 07 Sep 2019, 16:11

When you say "political," you really mean "democratic" and the continuous effort to concentrate authority in nonpolitical offices just entrenches power in an elite class.
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Re: General Domestic Issues

Postby Subotai45 » 09 Sep 2019, 03:14

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