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Re: General Domestic Issues

Postby beadsman » 02 Oct 2018, 07:48

I have nothing to say to you. You attacked me in the same way I fought against Venus, but yours was patently an offensive move. The recent actions of capitalist states are only to prove that we will not lie down and die simply because you wish us to. Your people chose to be communist, but ours chose otherwise.

Your actions have, additionally, created an increasingly heated political climate within the nation of Cyon. There is a growing movement to abolish all Communist parties in the nation and arrest all known sympathizers. Now, as long as the current Senate stands, that will not happen, for it is an affront to our democracy. However, your clear aggression is only aggravating the situation.

During the League Wars, we asked for peace. I even asked for neutrality. Fully disregarding that request, you attacked simply because we are capitalist. That shows your true colors, and forced me to eventually abandon all neutrality. The Senate and people have been angered by your actions. Venus, likewise, was too cowardly to fight anyone with a real fleet. They wouldn't dare enter a war where they had a chance of losing. They attacked a powerful nation, but it was a nation without the means to defend against a full space assault. Cyon didn't have to get involved, but I want to make clear that in the eyes of the Cyonian Senate, you Communists are all the same. There have been good and honorable Communists in the past, but you? You are all a disgrace to your ideology.

Cyon has done a great many things which many would call questionable. In the view of our government, the ends must, in some cases, justify the means. Call me evil. Call me traitorous. None of these things matter. I only ever do that which is necessary.

The agreement between capitalist nations was not even fully-formed when Venus attacked the Cooperative, but that war made such an agreement seem more pressing than ever.
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Re: General Domestic Issues

Postby Subotai45 » 02 Oct 2018, 10:38

beadsman wrote:Cyon remains neutral with regards to these attacks, but condemns them on principle of being violent and forceful. This only further proves our fears of socialist treachery founded.

I mean, come on. Do your really expect people to be okay with terrorists targeting them? Subs, even you have to admit that my paranoia is grounded in actual facts. It's true that being paranoid usually leads to massive overreaction, at least in my case, but I don't actually usually go to war unless I have good reason to be really paranoid of the enemy.


You’re paranoid because random systems choose their own fate. I’m paranoid because everyone is legitimately out to get me.
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Re: General Domestic Issues

Postby mat.gopack » 02 Oct 2018, 14:26

beadsman wrote:I have nothing to say to you. You attacked me in the same way I fought against Venus, but yours was patently an offensive move. The recent actions of capitalist states are only to prove that we will not lie down and die simply because you wish us to. Your people chose to be communist, but ours chose otherwise.

Your actions have, additionally, created an increasingly heated political climate within the nation of Cyon. There is a growing movement to abolish all Communist parties in the nation and arrest all known sympathizers. Now, as long as the current Senate stands, that will not happen, for it is an affront to our democracy. However, your clear aggression is only aggravating the situation.

During the League Wars, we asked for peace. I even asked for neutrality. Fully disregarding that request, you attacked simply because we are capitalist. That shows your true colors, and forced me to eventually abandon all neutrality. The Senate and people have been angered by your actions. Venus, likewise, was too cowardly to fight anyone with a real fleet. They wouldn't dare enter a war where they had a chance of losing. They attacked a powerful nation, but it was a nation without the means to defend against a full space assault. Cyon didn't have to get involved, but I want to make clear that in the eyes of the Cyonian Senate, you Communists are all the same. There have been good and honorable Communists in the past, but you? You are all a disgrace to your ideology.

Cyon has done a great many things which many would call questionable. In the view of our government, the ends must, in some cases, justify the means. Call me evil. Call me traitorous. None of these things matter. I only ever do that which is necessary.

The agreement between capitalist nations was not even fully-formed when Venus attacked the Cooperative, but that war made such an agreement seem more pressing than ever.

If the IWA had been aggressively spreading communism, Cyon would be communist today, as would the Cooperative.

If the IWA had attacked you solely because you were capitalist, it would have attacked Venus, Mobius, the PCG, and Aresia as well. The fact that it did not shows that there was more to it than simply being a capitalist power.

Cyon moans and complains about the aggression of communist powers - though all wars fought by the Union since its founding have resulted in no territorial acquisitions, nor spreading of the revolution - despite victory. In comparison, Cyon's ally the Cooperative has launched repeated offensive wars, one of which was in secret. And the one they won handily, they pressed massive territorial acquisitions, while losing to the IWA. Yet this aggressive, expansionist power is viewed by Cyon as a friend.

And of course that the Cyonian Senate hates communists - you've demonstrated that in the past. It is also the Senate, that well off, elitist body, that reaps the benefits of the current economic system in Cyon - and is terrified of it ever changing.
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Re: General Domestic Issues

Postby Constantine072 » 02 Oct 2018, 15:16

The Cooperative is sending over some of it’s Engineers to help Mobius with building and expanding its defense network
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Re: General Domestic Issues

Postby kingpie3 » 02 Oct 2018, 15:58

Constantine072 wrote:The Cooperative is sending over some of it’s Engineers to help Mobius with building and expanding its defense network

Strange times we live in :lol:
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Re: General Domestic Issues

Postby beadsman » 02 Oct 2018, 16:48

The Cyon Imperium has released documents of post-war negotiations with Venus. The documents show that Venus promised the return of the Geta, but only for an exorbitant sum of 20 trillion CC. Not only was this sum far more than the Imperium is normally capable of paying, but is far more than the worth of the ship. However, the Geta was the most advanced piece of technology in the entire Cyon Imperium, and was also my flagship for centuries. It is of historical importance to me, and if I can't have it no one will.

With this in mind, the Imperium risked bankruptcy in order to take out a 2 trillion CC loan: nearly 2 times its entire GDP. However, when Cyonian representatives approached the Venusians with the money, the refused to follow through with the deal out of pure spite.

It's very clear that the Venusians are trying to provoke me into a conflict, and while I will stop at nothing to either destroy or retrieve the Geta, I do not want to give them what they want by caving and going to war.

I would simply ask this of the IWA at large: Do you really want to get dragged into a conflict simply because your ally is intentionally baiting an opponent who followed all the proper peaceful and diplomatic channels to avoid conflict? Say what you will of my philosophy or strategies, diplomatically, I did everything right in this situation. Does the UMC really want to find themselves defying peace and diplomacy? Does West Africa?

I know Venus is upset, but that is technically no excuse to renege on a deal. I've already taken out the loan. It's almost as if Venus wants everyone to team up against them again. That's not something I would like, personally.
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Re: General Domestic Issues

Postby Subotai45 » 02 Oct 2018, 17:39

It's almost like... less than two days ago, you fucking dogpiled a player, and he's mad. Totally trippy man. Real radical. If you cared about peace and diplomacy, you all would have shown your faces when Domuia and Venus had a long, drawn-out argument about Kuitato. It was all public knowledge. You could have stopped the war, instead of patting yourself on your back. You're so smart, Cyon. You managed to make an alliance against a player with a very, very public anti-alliance stance, preventing him from having his own allies in wartime. What a genius move man. It's almost like I had a fucking clue that megapacts would turn into this and no one would ever get wars done anymore. But anyway, you could have negotiated yourself.

Instead, you just fucking ambushed us you, you self-professed diplomat. You've been antagonistic, cocky, and all-around difficult to deal with. We'd pay 20t to keep the Geta, just so see some smoke pour out of your thick capitalist skull. We're not asking for war, you're the one threatening to declare, as you do all the fucking time.

Good a time as any to announce that the RAS J Posadas has entered service in the Revolutionary Armada. Formerly known as the Geta, it was liberated from its imperial oppressors and is being repaired and retrofitted according to Federal standards. Honoring the foremost servant of the people in the lands now occupied by Cyon, it will serve as a promise to the people of Argentina, one of the homelands of the Venusian race, that we will return one day to liberate them.
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Re: General Domestic Issues

Postby kingpie3 » 02 Oct 2018, 18:32

The official stance of the Consortium is "we have no dog in this fight", but journalists from the recently relocated Nauthet Chronicle have written a piece called "Venusian State Gene-Mods Seem to be Defective". Here is a small quote.

The amount of cognitive dissonance it takes to say this:

We're not asking for war, you're the one threatening to declare, as you do all the fucking time


and this:

a promise to the people of Argentina...that we will return one day to liberate them.


in the same statement is disturbing. If that doesn't sound like a threat or promise of future reprisal then the current state of world affairs is even more unconventional than previously imagined.
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Re: General Domestic Issues

Postby Subotai45 » 02 Oct 2018, 18:40

Yeah, typical racist Baunairi bullshit blaming enlightened Federal genetics policy for righteous anger after being dogpiled by the largest coalition of powers assembled in untold centuries. Cyon continually threatens war in the present. We do not want a resumption of war so soon, but we're going to exact our revenge.
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Re: General Domestic Issues

Postby kingpie3 » 02 Oct 2018, 19:23

We have freedom of speech here, if journalists want to joke about Venusian state gene-mods for what they think is their corrosive effect on global affairs they're free to do so. At least they're keeping governments honest about their intentions and not allowing them to get away with muddled policy statements about war.
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