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Re: General Domestic Issues

Postby Subotai45 » 24 Sep 2018, 20:52

You imperialist oaf,

We are appauled yet unsurprised by the capitalist-reactionary willingness to oppose the liberation of the poorest and most oppressed nation in the known universe, the workers of Kuiato. Yet rather than see their plight, you choose to side with their racist-imperialist overlords, despite having just recently suffered defeat at their hands. Truly, the Cyonic Inbrederator has no honor, bowing the knee to the capitalist pigdogs of Domuia to assist them in their most ignoble quest. Where is that love of democracy, fascist? You lost a war fighting for the people's right to choose their own faith, so you side with the tyrannical corporate hellhole against the most representative nation in the galaxy?

The VFSFR on behalf of itself, the Universal People's Federation, the Union Government of Sybus, and all associated member-states of the International Committee for Permanent Revolution declares war on the openly fascist Cyonic Imperium. We fight for socialism, for democracy, for the liberation of oppressed nations everywhere, and for the establishment of a pan-human socialist state that will end the threat of capitalist-imperialist tyranny once and for all.
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Re: General Domestic Issues

Postby Subotai45 » 24 Sep 2018, 21:20

Her Imperial Highness, Empress-Regent Annabella des Martes, Lady of the Court, Attendant to His Imperial Majesty Dmitri I of House Shah (Emperor of Venus, Grand Duke of Astarte, Champion of the One True Faith, Sovereign of Mar del Plata, Defender of the Whole of the Galaxy, etc, may He rest in peace!), Custodian of His Serenity Dmitri II of House Shah, and Chairwoman of the Noble Assembly of the Greater Empire, (forever may it prosper!) issues the following declaration:

The Empire of Venus and the Outer Reaches is moving into a state of war against the so-called UPF and its allies. Under the terms of the Treaty of Nanjing, the Empire will join a broad conservative coalition to turn back the Red Tide and establish a safe world for monarchism, corporatism, and fascism, safe from radical ideas of socialism or democracy. We will work closely with our allies Cyon and the Cooperative to defend Kuiato and return the Empire to a place of prominence.

Together, to victory!
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Re: General Domestic Issues

Postby beadsman » 24 Sep 2018, 22:14

Subotai45 wrote:You imperialist oaf,

We are appauled yet unsurprised by the capitalist-reactionary willingness to oppose the liberation of the poorest and most oppressed nation in the known universe, the workers of Kuiato. Yet rather than see their plight, you choose to side with their racist-imperialist overlords, despite having just recently suffered defeat at their hands. Truly, the Cyonic Inbrederator has no honor, bowing the knee to the capitalist pigdogs of Domuia to assist them in their most ignoble quest. Where is that love of democracy, fascist? You lost a war fighting for the people's right to choose their own faith, so you side with the tyrannical corporate hellhole against the most representative nation in the galaxy?

The VFSFR on behalf of itself, the Universal People's Federation, the Union Government of Sybus, and all associated member-states of the International Committee for Permanent Revolution declares war on the openly fascist Cyonic Imperium. We fight for socialism, for democracy, for the liberation of oppressed nations everywhere, and for the establishment of a pan-human socialist state that will end the threat of capitalist-imperialist tyranny once and for all.


You do realize that the Imperator and the nobility have basically no power, right? I mean, feel free to denounce whatever you feel like, but the Senate is really the main seat of power, with the Consuls and Prime Minister picking up the slack. The Imperator is basically a glorified ambassador at this point.

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Simply put, you do not reflect the rights of other nations to govern themselves. If Cyon is imperialist, then what are you? Your imperialist tendencies are only thinly veiled by your claim of seeking to "liberate" everyone from "tyranny".

Kuaito may be repressed. What matter? Domuia may have defeated me before. Who cares? That is their concern, and I will do what I can to *peacefully* lift their burdens. Killing them won't help. They are a proud people, and one that I didn't wipe out in the last war, mind you. Domuia and Cyon have PLENTY of differences (including thoughts on workers' rights), but this is no time to be petty. We must defend our allies. In peace, we can make a bigger difference.
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Re: General Domestic Issues

Postby Subotai45 » 24 Sep 2018, 22:20

beadsman wrote:Kuaito may be repressed. What matter?


No further questions your honor. The prosecution rests.
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Re: General Domestic Issues

Postby beadsman » 24 Sep 2018, 22:37

Subotai45 wrote:
beadsman wrote:Kuaito may be repressed. What matter?


No further questions your honor. The prosecution rests.


I mean, I don't want them to be repressed. I just know that your joke of a government would be just as bad. I disagree with the Cooperative on a great many issues. Kuaito's possible repression is an issue for peaceful resolution, not war. The solution is not to invade it. The solution is to help them reform.

For the purposes of this war, it really doesn't matter. What matters is that you must be stopped. I'm dropping any moral pretence, by the way. I really don't care about your "moral" need to "liberate"/kill thousands of people. I do care about your aggressive posturing and actions. You have threatened to go to war with the Cooperative twice now for the same fake reasons.

Drop the pretense. Admit your greed. All you care about is yourselves. You just want "lebensraum". My job is not to protect democracy or capitalism or anything else. My job is to protect people from greedy Communist hive-minds like yours. Where is your sense of individuality? Oh, that's right. You have that up years ago.

There is no freedom in your land, only as it is prescribed. There is no love, or hate, or belief, only as it is dictated. Irreligion truly suits you.
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Re: General Domestic Issues

Postby Subotai45 » 25 Sep 2018, 00:29

You admit it doesn't matter to you. You admit the cooperative is an abysmally awful state, but you side with them willingly. You hate worker-led democracy so much, you are willing to side with fascists, because you too are a fascist. You dissolute cryptofascist pseudoliberal reformists pretend to care about the workers and feign faith in the possibility of reform, but the League of Cairo, a relatively progressive Neonam, and a huge block of socialists couldn't reform the reactionary mess that is the Cooperative.

You want to stop me because you want to oppress the proletariate. My posture is only aggressive if you hate socialism and the benefits it brings to the common man. I seek not land nor power - the VSFSR builds democracy in nations it liberates like the UGS, a now-independent, friendly, socialist country. We have threatened war against the Cooperative to liberate Kuiato twice, yes. We are not to be dissuaded from our goal of universal socialism.

We have no greed. Greed is a capitalist construction, peculiar to capitalists. A true Soviet cannot be greedy.

We care not about ourselves. We are but instruments of a broader historical process. A historical process that will surely, in time, replace your own decrepit state.
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Re: General Domestic Issues

Postby Subotai45 » 25 Sep 2018, 00:30

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Re: General Domestic Issues

Postby beadsman » 25 Sep 2018, 01:00

I really don't mind if a people chooses to be Communist or extreme socialist. I mean, even under the Imperators, we had excellent relations with both the CSR and Venus' previous leftist governments. We only step in when you try to forcibly export that "revolution".

Believe me, Cyon will do all it can to lift the burdens of the workers of Kuaito. You, however, will not twist it. I will do nothing to export my social democracy to your people, and I kindly request you do the same. Until the recent census information, I, for one, was not even aware of the repression of Kuaito.

Also, just because I side with fascists to protect against a serious threat to national security does not, in fact, make me a fascist. That's like calling Postwar West Germany fascist because they used to be, and because of their connection to other western powers.

Your very argument is my reason for war. Your inability to compromise or negotiate combined with your belief that you must spread your ideology to all peoples, no matter how forcibly, is reason for my people to strike you down in the act. No more.
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Re: General Domestic Issues

Postby Subotai45 » 25 Sep 2018, 17:35

Of course you mind, you addlebrained pseudoliberal twat. A communist is one who advocates for the rights of workers everywhere, by any means necessary. Someone who pretends to care about the workers but won't move with violence of action on their behalf is a capitalist-roadster and a class traitor to boot. The CSR was a totalitarian corporatist hellhole that adopted the mantle of communism to oppress the workers while pretending to act on their behalf. The former governments of Venus have been invariably nationalist and fascist, like your own state, which, in its confessed opposition to revolution, has put itself on the wrong side of history and shown its government to be, you guessed it, fascist.

That's blatantly untrue - you don't care for the workers of Kuiato, as you have yourself stated. "Kuiato may be repressed. So what?" That's quite a cavalier attitude to the oppression of millions of your fellow men (but then again, at the levels of inbred that Cyon's dealing with, the sure genetic deformities may, in fact, make you a separate species entirely, which is the only possible explanation of your lack of humanity and mentally depraved adherence to reactionary ideologies). Further, feigned ignorance is no excuse. Kuiato has long been a colonial region exploited for its raw materials and abyssal wages. You demand reform, not revolution, but how can reformists be trusted if they're such ineffective watchdogs?

Don't trust them, we argue, for reform is a myth. The idea that things will peacefully become better is a lie told by the Powers That Be to ensure complacency. The capitalist regimes will never change themselves, be it Domuia, Cyon, Baun, or Asteria. The elite, having seized power, will never let the masses take what is theirs. Political power flows from the barrel of a gun, and the elite have the weapons advantage against the proletariat - unless an external force such as the UPF comes to topple the reactionaries and let the masses seize the means of production and governance.

If you are friends with fascists, you too, are a fascist. One who cooperates with evil is evil. If you side with a totalitarian corporate tyrant, against a democratic state, you are akin to a tyrant. Just as Western Germany, the enemy of the DDR (the true home of German workers), was fascist, having kept huge numbers of Nazis in positions of power, failing to uproot the entire rotten structure, you are fascist. Just as the socialists were the ones to truly eradicate fascism while liberalism allowed it to fester, so do you encourage Nazis while we smite them. We are glad you appear to be coming around to our point of view, however. Even with your broken education system that focuses on subservience to the ruling powers rather than critical thought, you can still be lead to the point eventually. There may be hope yet.

Or perhaps it is just a blind squirrel getting the occasional nut.

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Re: General Domestic Issues

Postby beadsman » 25 Sep 2018, 17:53

Clearly, as you yourself so forcefully put, the only negotiations your kind understands is at the end of a firearm. We have no further argument but that which will be settled by force of arms.
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