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Re: General Domestic Issues

Postby Subotai45 » 07 Sep 2018, 04:52

beadsman wrote:Breaking news!

The Imperator announced today that over the next month, the Royal family will host a beauty pageant. Only those women of royal blood (cousins, nieces, etc.) are eligible to join. The 5 finalists will all receive the prize: the privilege of joining the harem of Venusian Emperor Dmitri of 2 Pallas. Participation is not mandatory.


IC, Empire: The Empire of Venus is pleased to unite the worlds - or at least their most beautiful representatives - in peace, in the Imperial Harem. By forming a single family, the bonds of blood will ensure peace in our time, except of course against the communist scum, who must be ground underfoot.

IC, VSFSR: Degenerates, all of you. The existence of the harem is self-condemnation of all the ideals that the nobility once claimed to espouse. The conservative guardians of morality, hoarding the young of many worlds for their debaucherous purpose. Their valuation of external appearance over internal virtue defies any pretense at noble morality, that claimed to value spirituality or even the false ideal of high birth. The rejection of the equal partnership of marriage, instead choosing to plunder those who are permanently and officially classified as lesser, shows their deep and abiding lack of self-worth and their need to validate themselves by the suppression of others. The expression of noble deviancy shows that the spirit of the nation has never been held in the nobility, but rather, in the peasant and worker classes, who seek not to be oppressed nor to oppress others.

But we while all civilized peoples knew of the debauchery of the imperial-parasitic class of Pallas, a den of infamy the like of which has never been known, the regression of Cyon was far better-hidden. But as with any reactionary bourgeouis fascist state, their anti-worker and archaic views are readily apparent. Not only does the imperator pimp out his own kin, defying the bonds of family which all ought to hold dear, he shows his rampant sexism in the process. Does the female sex mean so little to him that he's willing to send them off into cushioned slavery, having no other value to him? What woman would choose such a fate, to be valued briefly for their looks, then to be condemned to a life of servitude? No Federal woman, of course - only a Cyonic woman, conditioned by her regressive, patriarchical society, could be deluded into thinking such a fate is right and just. We call out to the women of Cyon - demand your rights, demand equality. Not just in law, but in culture. Your lot will not improve until the current regressive, reactionary society is smashed and a fair and equal one built in its place.

The Venusian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic will always do what it must to advance the cause of equality across the worlds, and in addition to the tariff on nonunion companies, in response to this news, will additionally be imposing a similar tariff on companies which do not have at least 40% women in positions of leadership. Companies who do not unionize, and who do not adequately work towards representation of minorities and women, will not receive the full benefits of trade with the VSFSR.
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Re: General Domestic Issues

Postby Subotai45 » 07 Sep 2018, 04:57

musashisamurai wrote:SERFDOM GUARANTEES CITIZENSHIP.


IC, VSFSR:

Pah, serfdom is no citizenship! A person with no control over their life is not a citizen, but a subject. Without the ability to move without the permission of their feudal lord, they lack the ability to create a better life for themselves. With obligated employment, there is no incentive for bosses to be fair, or just, or adequately pay workers, as no one can choose to work at organizations following socialistic principles, being bound to a certain owner. The idea of any man being valued over another due to birth is anti-democratic and antithetical to any who claim to value freedom, and the institution of serfdom doubly violates this most sacred code, falsely worshipping the noble and unjustly demeaning the serf. No man should own another. The VSFSR imposes sharp tariffs on any Pacifican goods made using this slave labor (rather larger than those on Cyon).
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Re: General Domestic Issues

Postby musashisamurai » 07 Sep 2018, 05:05

HFPE (well, sorta. Its purpose, numbers, strategy is all highly classified. We would announce a much more PR-friendly announcement though without any of this, probably talking about increased extrasolar aid and diplomats)

The Praetorian Order is creating a separate branch meant to handle covert operations on colony worlds and the handful of independent systems. The revolt in Venus, possibly triggered by unrest on colony worlds, has convinced many that the new department is necessary. The sudden flow of refugees from Earth out of Sol, bound to cause unrest, to independent systems and colonies alike is another factor in the Council's decision.

Teams will be generally larger than individual ones on Earth, as they might be the only friendlies in light years. The department includes a team of Spectres for the highest discretion, Coursers and Athenians for combat purposes, especially in false flag operations or as paramilitary forces, and finally a sizable amount of Face Shifters, deployed as needed post operations. The Face Shifters will take part in regime engineering, where in the post-conflict time period we insinuate ourselves into local politics to ensure our new client state remains loyal. The single Vampire-class stealth cruiser in the Pacifican government, and her compliment of Werewolf-class stealth assault vehicles, Predator assault craft, and stealth fighters will attached to this department as its mobile HQ and flagship. Plans are under way to possibly renovate the current ship, the Maui, as well as to create some further infrastructure outside of Sol-likely leveraging current Armada bases and stations.

The leader of this department was even given the rank of Consul by the Crown, the rank just below members of the Inner Council in seniority and equal in authority to a Cabinet position in other countries).
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Re: General Domestic Issues

Postby beadsman » 07 Sep 2018, 06:38

It is the Imperium's stand that as long as all parties are fully consenting, private affairs should not be illegal. There are relatively few who would choose to participate, given the nature of our culture, but in the interests of further relations and trade with our partners in 2 Pallas, we have opted to give people that chance. All are free to choose for themselves.

As for women in positions of power and leadership, it is perfectly acceptable here in the Imperium. Reports of discrimination are investigated/dealt with very seriously by our police forces. However, in order to avoid discrimination of any kind, a quota is not established (i.e. 40% of a company must be female), especially considering the fact that there are many, many, good and noble women who choose not to pursue a career. All people are considered equal in the Imperium, including the nobles. The only difference there is the presence of tradition and old customs, many of which are currently under review.

We kindly request that the Federation withdraw these latest tariffs, as we have no intention of involving ourselves in a trade dispute. Should further escalation occur, we will be forced to enforce a full embargo on all goods to and from the UPF. That is not desirable at all. I mean, we haven't even done that with the people with whom we just recently were at war! Come on. Let's be reasonable here. I raise tariffs on a single colony a minimal amount due to hostile posturing (not to mention basically saying they didn't need to trade with us in the first place), and the Federation goes bonkers. Truly, I'm beginning to think the Empire, for all its flaws, may have actually not been all that bad. (And yes, the Empire had flaws. It doesn't mean I don't like them.)
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Re: General Domestic Issues

Postby jonisilk » 07 Sep 2018, 10:18

"The Mattibeans - and you too Phoenixians, just being nice won't stop the Horde from calling you out - are grossly negligent at your duty of protecting souls. Relying on false gods, false doctrines, false philosophies to guarantee eternal life for your citizens is failure of the state. We of the Federation have determined how to create a just and free society not just on the mortal plane, but in the celestial one as well. Inspired by divinity, we have created a house for the dead as we make houses for the living, according to the Gods' will."


We should point out that we do use the Asgard system also. 100 years of service to the Corporation entitles you to a free re-birth through Asgard (into a cloned body of your 20 year-old self, along with a lifetime-accumulated-pension to start you off), and the process is both available and affordable to the general public (from around 30-50k - depending on how far ahead of time you sign-up - most of this cost covers growing your clone to the desired age, so it's cheaper if you plan in advance). We also offer it as an option to the terminally ill, on Universal Healthcare.

The main difference is that our worldview has changed since the early days of the corporation - natural lifespans have more than doubled and many of those who do seek out a re-birth, do it with the intention of living a completely different second life, not repeating the same one again. But re-rolling the dice doesn't always mean you'll get a different, or better, outcome.

As a people, we became more comfortable with the thought of our own mortality - as evident in the way we "mourn" at funerals, by celebrating the persons life - and though the option of living multiple lives is still available to our people, it remains the road less travelled. It basically comes down to personal choice.

As the Teller, Arwen Allan, once wrote, "Whether it's a life, a world, or a relationship, Everything has it's time. Everything ends", and we've pretty much made our peace with that.
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Re: General Domestic Issues

Postby mat.gopack » 07 Sep 2018, 14:36

beadsman wrote:It is the Imperium's stand that as long as all parties are fully consenting, private affairs should not be illegal. There are relatively few who would choose to participate, given the nature of our culture, but in the interests of further relations and trade with our partners in 2 Pallas, we have opted to give people that chance. All are free to choose for themselves.

As for women in positions of power and leadership, it is perfectly acceptable here in the Imperium. Reports of discrimination are investigated/dealt with very seriously by our police forces. However, in order to avoid discrimination of any kind, a quota is not established (i.e. 40% of a company must be female), especially considering the fact that there are many, many, good and noble women who choose not to pursue a career. All people are considered equal in the Imperium, including the nobles. The only difference there is the presence of tradition and old customs, many of which are currently under review.

We kindly request that the Federation withdraw these latest tariffs, as we have no intention of involving ourselves in a trade dispute. Should further escalation occur, we will be forced to enforce a full embargo on all goods to and from the UPF. That is not desirable at all. I mean, we haven't even done that with the people with whom we just recently were at war! Come on. Let's be reasonable here. I raise tariffs on a single colony a minimal amount due to hostile posturing (not to mention basically saying they didn't need to trade with us in the first place), and the Federation goes bonkers. Truly, I'm beginning to think the Empire, for all its flaws, may have actually not been all that bad. (And yes, the Empire had flaws. It doesn't mean I don't like them.)

Tariff wise, here's the UMC's position on them (generally speaking)

We have 3 defaults - standard (no tariffs), closed (no trade), and retaliatory (matching tariffs).

One twist on it is, however, that as per UMC law no organization or individual found to be exploitative in major ways are allowed to be imported into the country. That means, for example, that any non-unionized company would be banned. Any company using slave labor, etc.
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Re: General Domestic Issues

Postby Subotai45 » 07 Sep 2018, 14:48

This series of debates with the Imperium is being undertaken not just by some rando from the GWH, but the head People's Commissariat for Foreign Affairs of the VFSRF, Commissar Catherine de Laboulaye, a Posadist from Buenos Aries.

beadsman wrote:It is the Imperium's stand that as long as all parties are fully consenting, private affairs should not be illegal. There are relatively few who would choose to participate, given the nature of our culture, but in the interests of further relations and trade with our partners in 2 Pallas, we have opted to give people that chance. All are free to choose for themselves.


Private affairs that perpetuate regressive attitudes towards women and minorities ought to be condemned where they stand. Harems are not a mark of a free society, but one where power is unevenly distributed, allowing some to take advantage of others. Your pandering to the illegitimate fascist-imperialists of the so-called Empire makes you too a fascist imperialist, and an extraordinarily oppressive capitalist to boot. What does it say that you value trade, money, over your own people's happiness and loyalty to your culture? That you seek to improve relations not with the democratically-elected government of a planet - thirteen, considering our comrades in revolution of the PREU - but with a handful of debaucherous tyrants on a rocky outpost?

As for women in positions of power and leadership, it is perfectly acceptable here in the Imperium. Reports of discrimination are investigated/dealt with very seriously by our police forces. However, in order to avoid discrimination of any kind, a quota is not established (i.e. 40% of a company must be female), especially considering the fact that there are many, many, good and noble women who choose not to pursue a career. All people are considered equal in the Imperium, including the nobles. The only difference there is the presence of tradition and old customs, many of which are currently under review.


Oh, woopdie-do, "women are allowed to be in positions of leadership" and we're absolutely sure that "reports of discrimination are "dealt with." Seems just like how things work in regressive capitalist societies like your own. Guessing that none of your minorities have any such protection giving that'd be "racism" or "discrimination" against the dominant ethnic group. While quotas are oft unnecessary in a truly liberated society, in a society in transition they can provide valuable stimuli towards real cultural progress. So 1, the argument that many good and noble women choose not to pursue a career is wrongheaded. If only women, or almost entirely women, are choosing not to pursue a career, and not men as well, then your society is regressive and sexist. (As an aside, your nobles can't be equal, they've got enshrined privlidge and power). Your tradition and old customs ought to be thrown into the garbage.

We kindly request that the Federation withdraw these latest tariffs, as we have no intention of involving ourselves in a trade dispute. Should further escalation occur, we will be forced to enforce a full embargo on all goods to and from the UPF. That is not desirable at all. I mean, we haven't even done that with the people with whom we just recently were at war! Come on. Let's be reasonable here. I raise tariffs on a single colony a minimal amount due to hostile posturing (not to mention basically saying they didn't need to trade with us in the first place), and the Federation goes bonkers. Truly, I'm beginning to think the Empire, for all its flaws, may have actually not been all that bad. (And yes, the Empire had flaws. It doesn't mean I don't like them.)

You started the tariffs, comrade. We responded with our own, targeted tariffs. A truly unionized, gender-neutral Cyonian company faces no limits on import into the VSFSR right now, while even the best and most egalitarian of our great and egalitarian workers' cooperatives from the UPF face tariffs going the other way 'round. Shame you hate a truly free people more than the tyrannical capitalist-polluter toasters which kicked your ass in the League Wars. If you call going bonkers "imposing even more limited and moderate tariffs on regressive companies" then I'd hate to see what you'd do if we actually went bonkers. And again, your corrupt capitalist tendencies show themselves, as you'd rather have a xenophobic tyranny than a free and liberated democracy on Venus.
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Re: General Domestic Issues

Postby beadsman » 07 Sep 2018, 15:03

There are many men who do not choose to pursue a career. However, several religions factions within the Imperium (most notably Cyonian Orthodox) encourage a traditional view of the family. That means that many choose to follow that model. All are encouraged to choose their own path.

I may not have made clear that we are not extraordinarily upset with the current tariffs imposed on us. It's only if things escalate further that we will end the further escalation with an embargo.
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Re: General Domestic Issues

Postby mat.gopack » 07 Sep 2018, 15:47

jonisilk wrote:
mat.gopack wrote:What does it mean to be alive?

That is the question that a Mattibean philosopher, Georg Chua, has recently explored in an influential new text. He starts with the simple question, of what does it mean to be human, and answers it with being alive, as one half the answer.

So then, what does it mean to be alive? Georg argues that to be alive requires death, requires change. And, in the most controversial section of his book, looks at the known galaxy to detail some civilizations he sees as possibly on the road to no longer, truly, being alive.

The two he talks about are the Cooperative, and Mobius. Two extremes, in their focus on mechanical bodies and biological control and design. But the paths will lead to the same end, he argues - a lack of life.

The Cooperative, in its AI, cybernetic bodies, creates 'new' life by smashing together fragments of previous ones. Yet this is not the evolution, the change, the true death and birth that Georg sees as an essential component of life. Over the decades, the centuries, the Cooperative will begin to recycle previous personalities, previous lives - even if just by luck. This will lead to a stalling of progress, and death.

The same is true with Mobius, and its cycle of reincarnation. The memories burried under multiple lifetimes cannot help but surface, time after time. People who've never met in this life, suddenly getting flashes of their previous interactions - love, hate, indifference. It is a dance, with the steps explored, performed, over and over again. As long as the cycle sets in, it will eventually drown the life of the Mobians.

So, then, Georg argues against seeking immortality, in whatever form. Though being able to call upon the greatest minds of the past (how many would wish to hear what Marx would have to say in this day and age?) is tempting, it is illusory, stagnant. For to be human is to be alive, and to be alive requires death and change.

Not all in the Union agree with this new idea, but the debate is becoming important in not just academia, but everyday discussion.

(This is years after the war/timefreeze, btw)


The work of the Mattibean philospher, Georg Chua, has gone over well in the PCG, cited by many academics and compared to some of the higher-texts of the Craft, with many philisophical similarities on the nature of the human condition/experience.

Becoming something of a cult-celebrity here, the Corporation would like to blow some smoke up-his-ass, because he's telling us what we want to hear invite him to speak publicly at institutes of higher learning, along with a spot as a (semi-regular) guest panelist on a political talk-show.

Oh, and since I forgot - Georg will happily take this offer up and take this guest panelist position to try to spread his ideas
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Re: General Domestic Issues

Postby Subotai45 » 07 Sep 2018, 16:10

beadsman wrote:There are many men who do not choose to pursue a career. However, several religions factions within the Imperium (most notably Cyonian Orthodox) encourage atraditional harmful and regressive view of the family. That means that many choose are brainwashed to follow that model. All are encouraged reluctantly allowed to choose their own path.

I may not have made clear that we are not extraordinarily upset with the current tariffs imposed on us. It's only if things escalate further that we will end the further escalation with an embargo.
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