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Re: General Domestic Issues

Postby Zander » 01 Aug 2018, 04:42

Or not. It's 90% Musashi and cons fighting.
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Re: General Domestic Issues

Postby Constantine072 » 01 Aug 2018, 04:46

Zander wrote:Or not. It's 90% Musashi and cons fighting.

Is not it’s maybe 60-70% Musashi and I fighting
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Re: General Domestic Issues

Postby mat.gopack » 03 Aug 2018, 17:28

With the outset of the war, a good time for the UMC to release it's view of military 'rankings'.

Top 5 nations in these categories, as viewed by me & with no real research: Manpower, Navy, Space, Air Force, and Defenses.

Manpower
Manpower is the combination of standing military forces, potential military forces, the rapidity at which a nation could bring those potential military forces in, and ability to replace losses.
1. Mobius
2. Venus
3. Cooperative
4. Baunszalcoteque Federation
5. Republic of Asteria
Notes: Mobius and Venus are the two most populous nations, and have heavily gene modded populations - a combination that makes it easy to train, mobilize, and replace soldiers. The Cooperative/Domuia has a massive army that can be quickly mobilized, and the capability to replace its losses effectively. Finally, both Baunszalcoteque and Asteria have large populations to draw from, and seemingly rapid training regiments. The UMC, though it has a large population, is not able to use tiit to effectively replace massive losses, due to training requirements.


Navy
Navy is the combination of a nation's wet navy - above and below water, both in its defensive and force projecting roles.
1. Mobius
2. Cyon
3. Cooperative
4. UMC
5. Republic of Asteria
Notes: Navy is an odd one. Many nations simply do not have much of a traditional navy - for instance, the UMC has transitioned to much of its former wet navy being flying ships, and the Cooperative relies more on its air force than its comparatively small navy. However, the top is clear - Mobius has a clear most powerful wet navy, and the 2-5 slots are much more muddled.


Space
Space is the combination of mobile, fixed, and orbital space forces/capabilities. Primarily focused on solar system capabilities
1. UMC
2. Venus
3. Mobius
4. Cyon
5. Cooperative
Notes: In comparison, the top of this category is very close. The UMC has a clear predilection towards missiles and long range capabilities, and (obviously) I view that as the greatest capability. Venus has a large, competent space force that's very powerful, and Mobius likely has the strongest close ranged space navy in the universe, which combines well with Hadrian. However, a slight edge was given to Venus over Mobius due to what UMC war planners see as greater force projection. Rounding out the top 5 are Cyon, with a smaller, though still powerful navy, and the Cooperative. Interesting note that Baunszalcoteque, although split between two planets, does not appear to have any space forces.


Air Force
Air force is all airborne, atmospheric based units. This includes fighters, bombers, airships, flying ships, etc.
1. Cooperative
2. Mobius
3. UMC
4-5. Republic of Asteria/Baunszalcoteque Federation
Notes: Another very difficult one, and depends on how you rank different categories. The Cooperative has the largest air force, with its Robotech and Veritech units. The UMC has the most powerful individual units, with its flying ships. And Mobius has a mix of large numbers with good capability. In the end, with no support from ground or other forces, the Cooperative's pure numbers would be hard to beat. 4 & 5 are jointly shared, as I am not sure of any extent of the Asterian or Banszalcoteque air forces, except that they are supposed to be substantive. Venus does not have any air force, and Cyon has limited ones.


Defenses
Defenses are considered to be terrestrial based fixed defenses, as well as programs or strategies that impact attacks into the nation.
1. UMC
2. Mobius
3. Venus
4. Cooperative
5. Baunszalcoteque
Notes: The UMC has the most extensive defensive fortifications in history, combined with long range, extremely heavy firepower. This places us easily in the first spot. Mobius has heavy fortifications, a gene modded population, and a long standing program of training and readying said population - any invasion of Mobius will be incredibly bloody and difficult. Venus has a heavily gene modded population, fanatic loyalty to the defense against invaders, and is on another planet - any attack on Venus would be very difficult, even ignoring its ground based defenses (eg - anti orbital, AA). After the top 3, it's a little less clear cut - the Cooperative has fanatic loyalty and a willingness to fight to the last, along with reserves and mechanic bodies. Baunszalcoteque has gene modded population, another planet from most foes, and large population - invading them seems difficult.


# of top listings:
1. Mobius, UMC (2)
2. Cooperative (1)

# of top 3 listings:
1. Mobius (5)
2. Venus, Cooperative, UMC (3)
3. Cyon (1)

Overall, from these rankings, the UMC considers Mobius to be the galaxy's foremost and best rounded military power.
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Re: General Domestic Issues

Postby kingpie3 » 03 Aug 2018, 18:30

Cool list Mat, keep it up!

As for the lack of Baunairi space forces, I have ‘em but their small and outdated. Most merchant vessels are expected to kinda provide for their own defense and in times of conflict may be called to defend Mars and/or France.
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The Galactic Voice: Baunair Enters the Fray

Postby kingpie3 » 04 Aug 2018, 18:49

Premier Tammertert released a statement today:

"The Cooperative's predecessor Sybus was once a great ally of this nation. The Sybian territory of Aresia is the first great Martian power, and is a leading nation on this peaceful planet. Few nations felt the death of the old nation worse than Baunair did and we hurt even more to see the decline of its successor state. The Cooperative had an opportunity to join the community of nations in peace and brotherhood. It could have stood to fight the wave of rising communist terrorism and defend the meritocratic, corporate ideals that form their nation.

Instead they chose to attack Asteria and declare war on the PPL. Baunair is a part of the PPL and a key ally of Asteria. We've developed extensive commercial interests with them that cannot be threatened because of the Cooperative's desperation to hold onto its glory days. It with this is mind that we make clear our intentions to provide for the defense of our ally and personally engage the Cooperative. And thus The Baunszalcoteque Federation declares war on the Cooperative. In the coming weeks and months, our military of nearly 10 million will be joined by an additional 50 million troops to help our Asterian allies. May Janisis help us all"

OOC: Might as well finally go to war for once before the government changes :P
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Re: General Domestic Issues

Postby Subotai45 » 04 Aug 2018, 21:58

A quick break from judging to write down some stuff that's previously been headcanon:

One, the place isn't supposed to be shit. The conception of Venus is as an external, alien civilization with profoundly different values than the rest of the CYOCverse (and modern society) but one that is truly happy with the way things are. This isn't just magic nationalism brain juice (although - once you IC find out, feel free to argue that!) but a genuine happiness with the way things are. Venus is reasonably prosperous, has opportunities for self-improvement, and a variety of cultural things (concerts, parks, libraries) so people have stuff to do. It's weird, autocratic, and ridiculously homogenous, but it's supposed to be a good place - a utopia even.

This isn't just me going full-on Happy Citizen effect and OOC waving it into an existence, but the Grand Conceit of Venus is that the society/culture that's been created over the past couple IRL years is one that values happiness more than freedom, and the safety provided by an autocratic state is valued so people genuinely love it there (if they're raised in the culture and part of it - immigrants wouldn't choose its values usually, it's alien). It's free of crime, safe from external threat, and doesn't want votes that could risk ending that. The Civil War, rather than a counter, is an instance where a few radicals who didn't hold the same values as society broke the social matrix that held the country together with devastating results. Venusian governing philosophy centers around preventing something similar from occuring and preserving the stable, pro-order culture.

Implications for marriage: the arranged marriages aren't just duty, or something the state does for its own benefit. In conjunction with the Church, the State is and is perceived as a genuinely benevolent entity that actually wants the best for people. It has the Data to know everything about everyone on Venus and make choices that will make everyone happy. This is perhaps me judging my own tech, but another Maybe-Inaccurate Assumption is that it works, and people are partnered up with the person who will make them happiest.

On the militia: It's not too shit but is unpaid. Everyone does a sort of "ROTC" in college - either officer or enlisted, and that's roughly on the same lines as the American kind. After that, it's rather less organized and more informal than the US Reserves for example (but probably far more organized than the average CYOC militia). It's unpaid, and poorly funded, so there are few large, formal, live exercises, and is mostly small groups in the woods, who could just not show up if they wanted. But Venus is inocultated with a set of values that makes it so people want to do it, which isn't hard because it is basically drinking beer with your friends while running exercises in beautiful forests. Even though these exercises are kind of informal, there's training in college, downloaded information directly into the brains, and every weekend for a month they're still doing army-lite. This is not a professional military, and fun/self-fulfillment is about as important as national defense, so may not be a recommended military if you actually intend to fight people (especially due to unit types being rather skewed from optimal army composition), but Venusian society supports it and we need to use the national parks that cover over 60% of the planet for something.
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Re: General Domestic Issues

Postby beadsman » 04 Aug 2018, 22:17

(Post-war, real time/not affected by timefreeze)

Unfortunately, due to the damage and expenditures sustained during the recent and tragic war, we have to suspend all Xerxes Initiative funding until we have rebuilt or, at the very least, redirected funds from elsewhere.

EDIT: We have redirected funds from our research efforts (research funding had been reduced from 25% yearly income to 24%). This actually results in an increase of nearly 5 billion CCs for the Xerxes Initiative.
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Re: General Domestic Issues

Postby kingpie3 » 04 Aug 2018, 23:34

Subotai45 wrote:A quick break from judging to write down some stuff that's previously been headcanon:

One, the place isn't supposed to be shit. The conception of Venus is as an external, alien civilization with profoundly different values than the rest of the CYOCverse (and modern society) but one that is truly happy with the way things are. This isn't just magic nationalism brain juice (although - once you IC find out, feel free to argue that!) but a genuine happiness with the way things are. Venus is reasonably prosperous, has opportunities for self-improvement, and a variety of cultural things (concerts, parks, libraries) so people have stuff to do. It's weird, autocratic, and ridiculously homogenous, but it's supposed to be a good place - a utopia even.

This isn't just me going full-on Happy Citizen effect and OOC waving it into an existence, but the Grand Conceit of Venus is that the society/culture that's been created over the past couple IRL years is one that values happiness more than freedom, and the safety provided by an autocratic state is valued so people genuinely love it there (if they're raised in the culture and part of it - immigrants wouldn't choose its values usually, it's alien). It's free of crime, safe from external threat, and doesn't want votes that could risk ending that. The Civil War, rather than a counter, is an instance where a few radicals who didn't hold the same values as society broke the social matrix that held the country together with devastating results. Venusian governing philosophy centers around preventing something similar from occuring and preserving the stable, pro-order culture.

Implications for marriage: the arranged marriages aren't just duty, or something the state does for its own benefit. In conjunction with the Church, the State is and is perceived as a genuinely benevolent entity that actually wants the best for people. It has the Data to know everything about everyone on Venus and make choices that will make everyone happy. This is perhaps me judging my own tech, but another Maybe-Inaccurate Assumption is that it works, and people are partnered up with the person who will make them happiest.

On the militia: It's not too shit but is unpaid. Everyone does a sort of "ROTC" in college - either officer or enlisted, and that's roughly on the same lines as the American kind. After that, it's rather less organized and more informal than the US Reserves for example (but probably far more organized than the average CYOC militia). It's unpaid, and poorly funded, so there are few large, formal, live exercises, and is mostly small groups in the woods, who could just not show up if they wanted. But Venus is inocultated with a set of values that makes it so people want to do it, which isn't hard because it is basically drinking beer with your friends while running exercises in beautiful forests. Even though these exercises are kind of informal, there's training in college, downloaded information directly into the brains, and every weekend for a month they're still doing army-lite. This is not a professional military, and fun/self-fulfillment is about as important as national defense, so may not be a recommended military if you actually intend to fight people (especially due to unit types being rather skewed from optimal army composition), but Venusian society supports it and we need to use the national parks that cover over 60% of the planet for something.


OOC: That arrangement would be more beautiful if it wasn't encoded in people's genes by the ruling government. To even remotely play with people's brain chemistry to make them support authoritarian policies is straight up evil. Fun, but evil. I'm not denying that Venusians are happy about the prosperity and safety of their planet, just that the methods you've used to make them feel that way are morally abhorrent and have been forced into their minds (on some level). Which is great flavor, and only used as an attack from an IG perspective. OOCly Venus is one of the more interesting nations, in terms of political culture and history at least.
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Re: General Domestic Issues

Postby Subotai45 » 05 Aug 2018, 01:41

So... that's not quite true. Tech descriptions in question:

HFPE - Sun of May
Future Argentines will have patriotism genetically programmed into them. How? Similar to Murderfiend, they will receive happy chemicals to their brain when they see the national symbols of Argentina. This modification will be added during pregnancy. From a young age, they will associate Argentina with happiness. Used to being happy, if anyone invades, and say, takes down our flags, they now have a very large, angry population to try to control.

Patriot Serum - Really HFPE - Continuing out work on Sun of May. Patriot Serum will be far more subtle, with an increased effectiveness and reduced noticeability. We're also going to stick a slight "yay Venus" trigger in there.

(there was a third that turned the two Argentine-centric policies into one more applicable for unified Venus - don't recall the name)

So there's nothing in here that explicitly enforces authoritarian tendencies. It does cause a strong nationalist bent, I won't deny that. But in its conception, it was more to create a restless defensive population in case of invasion rather than anything else. Patriot Serum modified that somewhat, but it's clear from the tech descriptions that SoM/PS are, if anything, engines for resistence rather than a tranquilizer to keep people docile. It riles folks up when the country is threatened, and adds a base level of contentment, but there's nothing in here about supporting authoritarian governments.

Now, that has been the MO of (united) Venus, but it isn't necessarily due to the GMs. We could just as easily have a highly patriotic democracy, rather than the monarchy we have now. And we have had that in the past, to different extents. Argentina, under which all of this was researched, was a legitimate democracy (by PPL definition, not by UMC, due to our capitalism likely disqualifying us), and Venus could be again.

Basically, in conclusion, we may be considered monsters for a variety of reasons, but we haven't GMed authoritarianism into Venus. They're compelled to love their country, by DNA, but have nothing that makes them love the system under which the country is governed, which is why we periodically have massive referenda that either institute or abolish the monarchy or federalism, for example (revolution, of course, is clamped down on, and discouraged by SoMPS). We're still perfectly good targets for criticism, but the specific bad things we're accused of aren't true (although you can continue to claim this, IC).


IC Announcment: Patriot Serum, Sun of May, are real (insert description of what they do). Everyone on Venus is ok with this - keeps the country together and makes us happy. Off-world reactions are interesting, but will not change policies or genomes.
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Re: General Domestic Issues

Postby musashisamurai » 05 Aug 2018, 01:46

eh, I'd say that Patriot Serum definitely doesn't hurt nor does your massive spy structure-secret police. Rampant nationalism and secret police are both hallmarks of authoritarian governments, and to some extent, the end result of any government without a strong democratic/republican defense, institutions that secure the liberty of their people such as unions and court systems that could veto any overreaching government action. Maybe you haven't explicitly GM'ed authoritarianism into your people, but you've definitely made them more susceptible to it.
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