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Re: General Domestic Issues

Postby mat.gopack » 31 Jul 2018, 15:42

So, I was wondering recently about CYOC representation, and took a quick look at some of our nations. Here's a general look at it:

UMC
Legislative - looking only at national one. 8,000 delegates, 2,000 elected nationally by party, 6,000 delegated by regional assemblies. Most powers held by the legislative.
Executive - 13 member committee, 12 from the legislative branch, 1 (chairman) elected nationally by popular vote (2 stage, ranked choice voting). Can be voted to be strengthened during times of emergency.
Judicial - nominated by the central committee, approved by the legislative.

- all delegates elected/chosen by the people. 1 delegate for each 250,000 people.

Venus
Legislative - 3 chambers. 2 lower ones (1 popularly elected w/ 615 representatives, 1 appointed by the Emperor w/ 205 representatives), 1 upper one (popularly elected, veto power only w/ 205 representatives).
Executive - hereditary monarch, with theoretical checks from the legislative (80% of upper house to veto legislation or block ascension to the throne, or 100% of upper house to impeach). Can force through decrees on his own subject to that veto, though no note on if he/she holds a veto on legislative proposals. Additionally, there is a popularly elected commissar.
Judicial - not available

- 820 elected representatives, 205 unelected. Almost all powers seem to reside with the monarch, with light oversight ability by the Parliament. 1 elected delegate for each 3.4 million population.

Asteria
Legislative - a 200 member, popularly elected body. 10 year terms.
Executive - 3 different positions. A prime minister, elected by the legislative, subject to veto from the president. Appoints the cabinet, proposes laws, and has tiebreaking vote in the legislature. A president, elected in a 2 round national vote for 15 year terms, and holds veto power (70% vote to overturn). And a hereditary monarch, who appoints the courts.
Judicial - appointed by the monarch, subject to a 65% vote by legislature to block.

- 200 elected representatives, 1 for each 6 million population. Most powers seem to lie with the legislature, though the unelected monarch has significant power over the courts.

Cyon
Legislative - a 400 member body, 300 elected by popular vote and 100 nobles.
Executives - 2 consuls, elected by the legislature, who initiate votes & are in charge of either foreign or domestic affairs. One hereditary imperator, who breaks ties in the legislature.
Judicial - popularly elected, with the chief justice equivalent being a prime minister - who holds veto power over the legislature.

- 300 elected representatives, 1 for each 1 million population. Most power lies with the legislative, which is 25% represented by hereditary groups. No notes on if veto of the prime minister can be overturned - allows a popular vote check to block conservative elements from controlling the government with 34% of the popular vote.

NVC
Legislative - one national chamber, with delegates elected from local assemblies. These local assemblies are made up of representatives elected democratically and with multiple representatives per region - using single transferable vote I think. Makes laws, no number of delegates
Executive - two heads of states, presumably popularly elected. One ArchChief who is in charge during peacetime, one ArchGeneral who is in charge during war time. No mention of veto power.
Judicial - appointed by the head of state (no mention of approval vote by the legislature). Decisions can be overturned by a 2/3 vote of the legislative.

- most power seems to rest with the legislative branch. The degree of separation between voters and the legislature likely makes it weighed towards older, more seasoned men/women who are good orators or politicians, as they would be the ones to most likely do better in the local assemblies.

Phoenix Corporate Group
Nothing much solid. Seems to be governed by the board of directors + the president of the PCG. President elected by popular vote, but among nominations by the PCG itself (likely the board of directors?). Board of directors may or may not be elected by the population. PCG itself may or may not have private ownership of the company (eg - shareholders).

Workers' Republic of Terra
Legislative - multi layered. The people elect local commissioners, who elect regional ones, who elect national ones. Total of 51 national ones, 2601 regional, and 132,651 local ones. 3 year terms, but can be recalled by the lower level at any time. Most power seems to lay with them
Executive - a council made up of a mix of a general vote chief executive, appointments by the chief executive, appointments by the legislature, and bureaucrats.
No notes on judicial

- 51 national commissioners, 1 for each 2 million population. Immediate recall by lower levels allows for the people to ensure representatives are relaying their wishes correctly. Most power controlled directly by the large democratic bodies.

The last 2 I wanted to look at were Pacifica and the Cooperative, of which neither had any description for this. Will look at Baun- later, when kingpie's system settles out.

On the whole, the most democratic system of the 5 I could see is clearly my own (no bias there ;) ), and Venus will be proud to be the least democratic. Asteria has very limited representation (given the representation, the current US would have a total of 54 representatives + senators, and nations like France would have just 10 representatives). Of the five with much info, only the NVC and the UMC have no significant powers controlled by hereditary groups - Venus has its emperor with almost unchecked control, Asteria has the monarch with control over the courts, and Cyon has a quarter of its legislature controlled in perpetuity by the nobility.
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Re: General Domestic Issues

Postby Subotai45 » 31 Jul 2018, 15:46

Thanks for collecting all the info - really interesting! Venus is proud to be the least democratic nation in CYOC, you are right.
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Re: General Domestic Issues

Postby mat.gopack » 31 Jul 2018, 15:48

Subotai45 wrote:Thanks for collecting all the info - really interesting! Venus is proud to be the least democratic nation in CYOC, you are right.

On the other hand, Venus can boast it is more representative than Asteria*

*If you measure representation by # of elected representatives per capita.
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Re: General Domestic Issues

Postby Subotai45 » 31 Jul 2018, 16:01

Well not surprising, Venus is accidentally good at a ton of things.

Also judiciary is appointed by the elected commissar.
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Re: General Domestic Issues

Postby Constantine072 » 31 Jul 2018, 16:03

Public Annoucement Post Full Moblization
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Head of Corps Han Sol: Today we declare as the Cooperative, at the urgings of certain members of the board War upon Asteria and her allies in Power to the People. We intend not conquest, but demonstration. Asteria has repeated the sins of the Cooperative Past, and if others won’t stop her, we will. Our Commanders are ready, are forces mustered and we warn those who intend to aid Asteria, we will show no mercy on the battlefield. These folks have implicate my people’s as outdated, backwards and fallen behind.

And now we see warmongering as members of a new league have arrived to show their muscles and force their desires. While my ancestors are no saints, our solar system has a carefully balanced which these folks are intending to disrupt and create a rival to other organizations. We fight in name of ensuring future peace, one with the Reorganization by Deal of Sulawesi, we believe was ensured.

Now we feel this peace is threatened and lives of thousands at stake as Asteria and her allies consume and grab lands. Worse they seek impose control on greater Asia. Which we shall not abide. Our men and forces are mustered. And now Asteria and your League of Cronies, are yours?”
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Re: General Domestic Issues

Postby beadsman » 31 Jul 2018, 16:19

The Cyon Imperium urges the Cooperative to reconsider their declaration. We have intended no harm or insult towards the Cooperative at any point in the past, and intend no harm or insult now. Cyon had never sought land or control, least of all in Asia. We have sold up for the oppressed. We have stood up for the underdog.

Should the Cooperative persist in this attack, we will NOT hold back in the least. Many of your people will die. I don't wish that upon you. Please, reconsider.
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Re: General Domestic Issues

Postby mat.gopack » 31 Jul 2018, 16:29

OOCly - the PPL is at least somewhat a defensive alliance, right? So in essence this is the Cooperative vs Asteria, Cyon, Baunzaldfadlfhasdklfh, a pair of inactive players (New Texas + Oriental Republic), and a few assorted NPC nations?
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Re: General Domestic Issues

Postby beadsman » 31 Jul 2018, 16:31

Yes. Even with that aside, he declared war on all of the individual member-states.
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Re: General Domestic Issues

Postby Constantine072 » 31 Jul 2018, 16:32

beadsman wrote:Yes. Even with that aside, he declared war on all of the individual member-states.

Specifically the declaration is against Asteria. It’s just presumed that rest of PPL will join with Redsun
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Re: General Domestic Issues

Postby mat.gopack » 31 Jul 2018, 16:36

OOC - that's what I thought, got it. :)

IC - the Union of Mattibean Communes is concerned by this sudden eruption of violence. We urge all sides involved to restrain the use of destructive weaponry upon civilian centers, and warn that unprovoked massacres will force us to act.
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