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Re: Cyon Imperium

Postby beadsman » 16 Aug 2018, 06:43

Subotai45 wrote:Your starting pop was 50m max, you’re way more than twice!

Oh. I guess that means it's twice the population some I last updated the main post's info as opposed to just the treasury. Oops. :oops:
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Re: Cyon Imperium

Postby beadsman » 28 Mar 2019, 09:55

Under a great deal of stress surrounding the Cold War, Consul Astor has begun to call for a reformed system of government that would be, as he put it, "a more secure and far stronger system to protect the lives and freedoms of our mighty people."

The Senate is currently split on the issue, but Astor has gotten a surprising amount of support from the Cyonican people. Many Cyonican intellectuals have been appalled throughout his consulship by the blatantly spiecieisist and confrontational that a further breakdown of peace, escalation, and even possible loss of internal human rights could fight fr=ir a military takeover like this one.

Things in the nation are tense. One moment could send the situation out of control.
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Re: Cyon Imperium

Postby Subotai45 » 02 Apr 2019, 14:50

beadsman wrote:Under a great deal of stress surrounding the Cold War, Consul Astor has begun to call for a reformed system of government that would be, as he put it, "a more secure and far stronger system to protect the lives and freedoms of our mighty people."

The Senate is currently split on the issue, but Astor has gotten a surprising amount of support from the Cyonican people. Many Cyonican intellectuals have been appalled throughout his consulship by the blatantly spiecieisist and confrontational that a further breakdown of peace, escalation, and even possible loss of internal human rights could fight fr=ir a military takeover like this one.

Things in the nation are tense. One moment could send the situation out of control.


IC: "Out of curiosity, exactly which human rights does your regime intend to erode in order to strengthen its own power?"

OOC: "Many Cyonican intellectuals have been appalled throughout his consulship by the blatantly spiecieisist and confrontational that a further breakdown of peace, escalation, and even possible loss of internal human rights could fight fr=ir a military takeover like this one." - this sentence got some typos. Not saying this to be nitpicky, but could you clarify what it means because I'm missing a key word after confrontational especially, and give examples of incidents that we as the outside world would know about?
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Re: Cyon Imperium

Postby beadsman » 02 Apr 2019, 18:30

Uh... I'm pretty sure I was hurriedly typing on a phone with bad autocorrect problems. Let me see if I can decipher what AI originally meant.

Many Cyonican intellectuals have been appalled throughout his consulship by the blatantly spiecieisist and confrontational [views, and show concern] that a further breakdown of peace, escalation, and even possible loss of internal human rights could [potentially follow] a military takeover like this one.

Nothing has Ben realized, but Consul Astor has voiced strong human purist opinions and has even in various occasions praised the use of fear in governing and controlling the masses. He is very much in favor of a strong, nationalist, military state, but the current constitution prevents that. The thing that scares people is how popular he is becoming, especially in more rural and traditionally conservative areas. He has also managed, by painting the communists as a monster to be vanquished (and, secretly, by some well-placed bribes, although that is not even remotely public), managed to enact a bill that gives him emergency powers. This has allowed him to stay in office far longer than is normally legal.
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Re: Cyon Imperium

Postby Subotai45 » 02 Apr 2019, 20:51

Human speciesism has to be the most idiotic ideology ever to disgrace the solar system. For one, all sentient beings ought to be treated as equals, which we in the IWA realize, realizing that we are international brethren, be we human, Venusian, or Machine Intelligence, but which the Pacificans in the Cyborg Pact among others refuse to accept, denying the common humanity of their own allies.

Human speciesism isn't just morally wrong, however, it's factually incorrect. All men and women are equal in rights, but Venusians are stronger, faster, and live longer than baseline humans. Machine Intelligences think faster than even the smartest baseline human could fathom. The varied species that Mobius generally keeps hidden but sometimes lets out to play are unquestionably stronger, faster, and smarter than a Cyonican.

This isn't to say that Cyonicans are subhuman and worth less - the souls inside us all are equal regardless of the vessel - but denouncing others and proclaiming yourself superior because you willingly choose to house your soles in subpar vessels, the default, stock model if you will, is nothing short of lunacy.

Similarly, ensuring the freedom from fear of the citizenry should be the goal of every government and while the Cyonic tendency in the opposite direction is disappointing, it is not surprising. It is, however, amusing that the speciesist practicing regressive views and arguing for the use of fear is trying to paint the UPF as a monster when it advocates for the apparently radical idea of all people. Consul Astor is a cartoon villain, and we are shocked that his people don't see that (unless they, of course, are cartoon henchmen).
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Re: Cyon Imperium

Postby beadsman » 02 Apr 2019, 22:52

Subotai45 wrote:Human speciesism has to be the most idiotic ideology ever to disgrace the solar system. For one, all sentient beings ought to be treated as equals, which we in the IWA realize, realizing that we are international brethren, be we human, Venusian, or Machine Intelligence, but which the Pacificans in the Cyborg Pact among others refuse to accept, denying the common humanity of their own allies.

Human speciesism isn't just morally wrong, however, it's factually incorrect. All men and women are equal in rights, but Venusians are stronger, faster, and live longer than baseline humans. Machine Intelligences think faster than even the smartest baseline human could fathom. The varied species that Mobius generally keeps hidden but sometimes lets out to play are unquestionably stronger, faster, and smarter than a Cyonican.

This isn't to say that Cyonicans are subhuman and worth less - the souls inside us all are equal regardless of the vessel - but denouncing others and proclaiming yourself superior because you willingly choose to house your soles in subpar vessels, the default, stock model if you will, is nothing short of lunacy.

Similarly, ensuring the freedom from fear of the citizenry should be the goal of every government and while the Cyonic tendency in the opposite direction is disappointing, it is not surprising. It is, however, amusing that the speciesist practicing regressive views and arguing for the use of fear is trying to paint the UPF as a monster when it advocates for the apparently radical idea of all people. Consul Astor is a cartoon villain, and we are shocked that his people don't see that (unless they, of course, are cartoon henchmen).


"On behalf of the Cyonican Senate, we take great offense to your accusing words. We have never upheld any such discriminatory policies, and as long as the Senate has anything to do with it, we never will. The current Consul's beliefs are widely known, and he has a surprising amount of support among certain members of society. Nevertheless, his views do not represent current Cyonican policy. We have always striven to protect the citizenry from fear, and have never employed fear tactics to control them. To do so would violate the very foundations on which our government stands! Once again, the Consul's views are widely known, but they are not practiced in Cyon." - Letter from the Senate

"I say we stomp out these cockroaches! They insult us, even after they deny themselves humanity. They have chosen to remove their own souls, which leaves them with no further rights. They may act sentient, but only pure, undefiled Humans can truly be entitled to such rights. They are, after all, called Human rights for a reason, am I right? This nation needs more security, not less, if we are to act as the Solar System's exterminators. The cockroaches gave up their rights when they joined with the filthy communists. This political system is no system at all, but a disease. They are weak. Cyon will rise again to the glory we once possessed! We will truly be great once more! We will reunite the Latin world. As for the scathing Venusian remarks earlier this week, I refuse to speak with insects." - Consul Astor, at the Cyon Nationalist Convention
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Re: Cyon Imperium

Postby Subotai45 » 02 Apr 2019, 23:53

"We in the Federation strive for truth and clarity, so we wish to ask some questions to enlighten ourselves as to the functioning of your government. Is the Consul not the leader of your people? Does his word not carry weight in policy creation? Is he not an elected representative of your views? Doesn't he represent a strong and repressive strand of Cyonic society that wishes to use fear to control others?

If his views are truly so repugnant to the Senate, why have they not taken action to reduce Astor's influence or remove him from power?" - Federal Soviet

"Little man flying to the racial slurs, right off the bat. Consol Astor, were he born in a different time, would be an antivaxxer without question, for he denies the massive advantages in health outcomes posed by gene-mods such as those we Venusians hold dear. Unfortunately, he was born at such a time that even the most reactionary and illogical anti-science views don't result in immediate sickly death, allowing him to pollute this air with his particular brand of nonsense."

"We take closer care of our souls than Cyon, guaranteeing all the right to an afterlife that you reserve for the very rich. Now, Consul Astor, it is astonishingly curious that you regard this as removing souls. Does this mean that the rich of your nation don't have souls and therefore no rights?"

"Define 'pure, undefiled human' if you please. Does this include, say, the heavily modified and incredibly diverse Mobians? Cyon has never been great, and never will be, so long as it continues to reject those different from itself - and pick fights with the very races that compose nearly every major power, from the gene-modded Mobians and Baunairi, to the Machine Intelligences of the Cooperative, to the heavily adapted Venusian race. If you think our system so weak, try your luck against the Armada a second time - and perhaps on this occasion, you won't feel the need to bring three friends along with you."
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Re: Cyon Imperium

Postby kingpie3 » 06 Apr 2019, 19:16

We remind the Consol that discriminatory policies in Ceona's borders may be looked down upon by the Jan'isi. Mars is a planet wherein one major nation is composed entirely of androids. The citizens of the Consortium's Entinates themselves have modified their bodies to live ably in the plains of the Red Planet. And millions more in colonies and smaller nations alike are not baseline humans as well.

So we caution Consol Astor to temper his apparent bigotry and ensure that the cultural and civil rights of all Martians in Ceona are not expunged. We remind the new government of the historic (and hopefully enduring) economic partnership between our nations and the respect given to Ceonean immigrants in the Entinates. We are one of the most culturally diverse civilizations in the galaxy and hate has had no place in our blessed territories for years. We hope that Ceona will attempt to follow that path and the path of all nations that seek to be respected on the world stage.
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Re: El Imperio Latino

Postby beadsman » 07 Apr 2019, 02:35

New flag.

I totally stole it from Alternate History. It was just perfect for what I'm going for.
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Re: El Imperio Latino

Postby Subotai45 » 07 Apr 2019, 02:41

... you mean the Nazis. That flag is like 75% third reich
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