Draw proposal 2

(Played as Game A of 2) GM: Pedros. Result: DIAS (AardvarkArmy - Winterfell; GhostEcho - Aiel; Netr0 - Borderlands; attitudes - Midlands; drrnwrstlr - D'Hara)

Draw proposal 2

Postby Pedros » 16 Sep 2013, 14:34

Borderlands has proposed a 4-way draw between: Winterfell, D'hara, Aiel, and the Borderlands.

It will remain live until the beginning of Spring phase year 10, unless resolved before then.

D'Hara:
Midlands:
Borderlands: Accepted
Aiel:
Winterfell: Rejected
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Re: Draw proposal 2

Postby AardvarkArmy » 16 Sep 2013, 15:36

VETO

Really? 4 out of 6? Let's see a little self-respect in this game!
Risk = Reward... Risk = Reward... Risk = Reward...

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There is one player on that proposed draw list who has NEVER taken a single center by force. Not one. We have all had different degrees of luck in this game, but one player has depended ENTIRELY on luck, with no effort to display a micron of courage. One player took only those centers that he could walk into without opposition, who never made any effort against any of his neighbors, who only fought back in self-defense when attacked - but even then, failed to retaliate or counter-attack when he had a clear chance.

I hereby state unequivocably -
NO PLAYER SHALL BE INCLUDED IN ANY DRAW IN THIS GAME WHO DID NOT WORK FOR IT.
Period.

Anyone who wants a share of victory in this game is gonna have to get off their duff and reach for the brass ring. Otherwise, we are going to be here for a VERY long time
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Re: Draw proposal 2

Postby Pedros » 16 Sep 2013, 20:31

Come on AA - tell it how it is! :o
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Re: Draw proposal 2

Postby AardvarkArmy » 16 Sep 2013, 20:48

Pedros wrote:Come on AA - tell it how it is! :o


LOL!

When attitudes proposed the 5-way last year, that was an understandable "Mouse that Roared" gesture of a frustrated player who sees his own demise approaching.

But when the #2 power, who has had multiple opportunities to expand his position that he chose not to avail himself of, suggests ending the game without a real fight and without a real conclusion... are you kidding????
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Re: Draw proposal 2

Postby Netr0 » 16 Sep 2013, 23:22

Luck? I relied on diplomacy. The reason I did not take out Aiel is because he is the buffer against Winterfell. Yes I had many chances to take his cores, but in doing so Winterfell would get bigger and in result... He would be in a position where I could not stop his solo.

I did expect him to veto this draw, he will not accept any draw. Of course the fact that he is mousing around a "3 way draw" is just for the 2 other powers to attack me and leave themselves weakened. This is another reason why I posted the suggestions of new regions added to the map before, the map seems flawed. I can't move against Aiel or Winterfell will get the solo
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Re: Draw proposal 2

Postby AardvarkArmy » 16 Sep 2013, 23:51

Yes - you used diplomacy, a probably-good opening direction, and LOTS of luck to get where you are. What you have not done is prove any military prowess whatsoever.

This map is flawed. Stalemate lines are too many and too strong. But people can't talk out of both sides of their mouth - you can't say in one breath that the map prevents you from moving forward, then in the next breath say that if I get the slightest break I will surge like a tsunami to solo.

Do I still hope for solo? Of course - anyone in a top spot keeps hope alive. But is it likely? Not at all. This game is most likely going to go to 2-3 players.

But it will be for the players that fight for it. I repeat - a player who has not taken a single center by force will NEVER be included in the victory of this game. I don't care how long it takes, that's just a principle I won't back down from.
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Re: Draw proposal 2

Postby attitudes » 17 Sep 2013, 20:24

AardvarkArmy wrote:a player who has not taken a single center by force will NEVER be included in the victory of this game. I don't care how long it takes, that's just a principle I won't back down from.

Pedros, can you please put a supply center marker in East Rang Shada so I qualify for this offer. Much appreciated.
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Re: Draw proposal 2

Postby AardvarkArmy » 17 Sep 2013, 21:05

attitudes wrote:
AardvarkArmy wrote:a player who has not taken a single center by force will NEVER be included in the victory of this game. I don't care how long it takes, that's just a principle I won't back down from.

Pedros, can you please put a supply center marker in East Rang Shada so I qualify for this offer. Much appreciated.


Actually, you appear to have a better shot of taking a center by force than Borderlands. At least you are trying! ;)
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Re: Draw proposal 2

Postby GhostEcho » 18 Sep 2013, 05:04

Goodness.

All in favor of playing out the game gunboat? :P
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