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Fall 1909 Results

PostPosted: 16 Jun 2013, 07:35
by attitudes
Draw proposal #5 did not pass with Copenhagen abstaining.

Fall 1909 results are posted. One auto destroy in Constantinople. One retreat needed by Austria from Tyrolia.

Fall 1909 retreat deadline is Monday, June 17th at 11:00 am Pacific time.

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Copenhagen: GhostEcho
F Baltic Sea -> Sweden ... bounce

Dublin: AardvarkArmy
A - Norway - move - Sweden ... resolved
F - Got - support - Norway - Sweden ... resolved
F - Norwegian Sea - move - Norway ... bounce
F - Barents Sea - move - Norway ... bounce
F - Hel - move - Kiel ... bounce
F - Cop - support - Hel - Kiel ... resolved
F - North Sea - support - Cop-hold ... resolved
A - Hol - move - Wes ... resolved
A - Ruh - move - Munich ... bounce
A - Burg - support - Ruh - Munich ... resolved
F - Bru - move - Eng Chan ... resolved
F - Mid Atlantic Ocean - move - Western Med ... resolved

Madrid: kerrmit
Const hold ... resolved ... DISLODGED ... AUTO DESTROY
Smyrna support const to hold ... resolved
Crete -> Aegean Sea ... resolved
Ionian Sea -> Athens ... bounce
Naples -> apu ... resolved
Rome -> Venice ... bounce
Tyr sea -> Rome ... bounce
Milan -> tyrolia ... resolved
Savoy -> Milan ... resolved
Zurich support Milan -> tyrolia ... resolved
Mars hold ... resolved
Pyr mtn -> gulf of lyons ... resolved

Vienna: presser84
BS to Const ... resolved
Ank S BS to Const ... resolved
Bul S BS to Const ... resolved
Ath Hold ... resolved
Boh S Mun Hold ... resolved
Kie S Mun Hold ... cut
Ber S Kie to Hold ... resolved
Tri S Ven Hold ... resolved
Tyr S Mun to Hold ... cut ... DISLODGED ... RETREAT NEEDED
Mun S Tyr Hold ... cut
Mos S StP to hold ... resolved
Liv to Pru ... resolved
StP Hold ... resolved
ven Hold ... resolved

Ankara: Lawton
eliminated Fall 1908

Athens: CmndrMaggs
eliminated Fall 1906

Berlin: Lecrae
eliminated Fall 1908

Brest: Diadem
eliminated Fall 1905

Brussels: mambam14
eliminated Fall 1908

Bucharest: glacier777
eliminated Fall 1905

London: marsman57
eliminated Fall 1905

Moscow: FortressDoor
eliminated Fall 1904

Rome: dcaibal
eliminated Fall 1904

Zurich: SimonMB
eliminated Fall 1907

Re: Fall 1909 Results

PostPosted: 16 Jun 2013, 08:22
by presser84
retreat to Vienna

Though Dublin could easily play himself the dutiful ally assisting his Spanish brother in the dismantling of the Austrian betrayer, ultimately picking up St Pete, Kiel, Berlin, Munich, and then stabbing him for the win himself, His move to WMed shows his altruism (since Madrid obviously needs the assistance against my single Black Sea fleet).....Besides, we all know Aardvarks are slow cowardly creatures incapable of big picture strategic thinking.....so let's just end this game. I propose a DIAS (assume Cope is presumed dead)

Re: Fall 1909 Results

PostPosted: 16 Jun 2013, 09:02
by AardvarkArmy
presser84 wrote: Besides, we all know Aardvarks are slow cowardly creatures incapable of big picture strategic thinking.....


wow. where does this insult come from out of left field?

A) Presser84 NEVER ONCE discussed any "strategic" plan with me, so...???

B) What, exactly, would one propose to do of a "strategic" nature when one partner is asleep at the wheel for two seasons while the other rushes headlong towards solo? Whom, exactly, would one suggest fighting in such a scenario?

so... how exactly does this ending represent a lack of strategic vision on the part of AardvarkArmy? My "vision" was to begin moving 3 seasons ago, as the smallest of the Big Three, to "enforce the peace" and stop the obvious Vienna solo attempt.

Re: Fall 1909 Results

PostPosted: 16 Jun 2013, 09:16
by presser84
AardvarkArmy wrote:
presser84 wrote: Besides, we all know Aardvarks are slow cowardly creatures incapable of big picture strategic thinking.....


wow. where does this insult come from out of left field?

A) Presser84 NEVER ONCE discussed any "strategic" plan with me, so...???

B) What, exactly, would one propose to do of a "strategic" nature when one partner is asleep at the wheel for two seasons while the other rushes headlong towards solo? Whom, exactly, would one suggest fighting in such a scenario?

so... how exactly does this ending represent a lack of strategic vision on the part of AardvarkArmy? My "vision" was to begin moving 3 seasons ago, as the smallest of the Big Three, to "enforce the peace" and stop the obvious Vienna solo attempt.


A) is false. You preempted any discussion by basically saying it was your goal to get a 3 way draw and you were bored of the game. You sent this as a PM to both Kermit and I. Basically if either of us moved contrary to that motive you would throw a hissy fit and the game. You handcuffed the outcome to a three way. Had this been a ploy whereby you desired more your would have sout back channels to make it happen. You did not. Even so much as to insist on draw whittling players. So with any attempt to get you to attack Madrid obvious to be blunted I made small suggestive attempts but I knew they would be futile.

B) I'm not really sure what you're talking about. I lack a navy in both the north and south. There was no way I could solo unless one of you gave me the game. AND not securing positions in central Europe would have left me vulnerable to a Madrid stab that would have given him the game

C) I might add you are really high strung. Maybe you need to cut out the coffee. Maybe it's harder stuff or maybe my jests get lost in translation over the internet but to me what are just intended as minor japes are fucking atom bombs on your mother's house. Chill the fuck out. The game is (basically) over.

Re: Fall 1909 Results

PostPosted: 16 Jun 2013, 09:35
by AardvarkArmy
presser84 wrote: A) is false. You preempted any discussion by basically saying it was your goal to get a 3 way draw and you were bored of the game. You sent this as a PM to both Kermit and I. Basically if either of us moved contrary to that motive you would throw a hissy fit and the game. You handcuffed the outcome to a three way. Had this been a ploy whereby you desired more your would have sout back channels to make it happen. You did not. Even so much as to insist on draw whittling players. So with any attempt to get you to attack Madrid obvious to be blunted I made small suggestive attempts but I knew they would be futile.


Ummm... what other options would there be? We all know a 2 way is one of the most difficult balancing acts to achieve, so the options were always basically 3-way or a solo; as I was the smallest of the 3, pushing for 3-way was the smart play (and, again, I NEVER heard any different proposal from you)

presser84 wrote: B) I'm not really sure what you're talking about. I lack a navy in both the north and south. There was no way I could solo unless one of you gave me the game. AND not securing positions in central Europe would have left me vulnerable to a Madrid stab that would have given him the game


Ummm... You are only 2 away from solo right now, with Smyrna in serious danger... and, unless you didn't notice, one of us very nearly DID throw the game to you

presser84 wrote: C) I might add you are really high strung. Maybe you need to cut out the coffee. Maybe it's harder stuff or maybe my jests get lost in translation over the internet but to me what are just intended as minor japes are fucking atom bombs on your mother's house. Chill the fuck out. The game is (basically) over.


LOL! LOL! LOL! I'm high strung??? LOL! LOL! LOL! I should only post the series of 13 (THIRTEEN!!!) PMs you sent me on June 9 just because I chose my own path in assisting you against Berlin. I was ready to pull the plug on this game completely after that exhausting series of tirades! High strung indeed!!! LOL!


But, as noted in the other thread, you played a FANTASTIC game. Unbelievable that Vienna ends as the leader! Congratulations!

Re: Fall 1909 Results

PostPosted: 16 Jun 2013, 09:40
by attitudes
AardvarkArmy wrote:Ummm... You are only 2 away from solo right now, with Smyrna in serious danger...

Ummm... unless my math is wrong, and it isn't, Vienna is 5 away from a solo. 21 SC's is the victory condition for this variant.

Re: Fall 1909 Results

PostPosted: 16 Jun 2013, 09:44
by AardvarkArmy
attitudes wrote:
AardvarkArmy wrote:Ummm... You are only 2 away from solo right now, with Smyrna in serious danger...

Ummm... unless my math is wrong, and it isn't, Vienna is 5 away from a solo. 21 SC's is the victory condition for this variant.


No waaaaaay!!!!!! Seriously?

Holy crap!!! LOL! LOL! LOL!

Now THAT is one big mistake by AardvarkArmy - I have been assuming damn near all game that solo was 18.

Holy crap!!! :o

Re: Fall 1909 Results

PostPosted: 16 Jun 2013, 10:03
by presser84
AardvarkArmy wrote:
presser84 wrote: A) is false. You preempted any discussion by basically saying it was your goal to get a 3 way draw and you were bored of the game. You sent this as a PM to both Kermit and I. Basically if either of us moved contrary to that motive you would throw a hissy fit and the game. You handcuffed the outcome to a three way. Had this been a ploy whereby you desired more your would have sout back channels to make it happen. You did not. Even so much as to insist on draw whittling players. So with any attempt to get you to attack Madrid obvious to be blunted I made small suggestive attempts but I knew they would be futile.


Ummm... what other options would there be? We all know a 2 way is one of the most difficult balancing acts to achieve, so the options were always basically 3-way or a solo; as I was the smallest of the 3, pushing for 3-way was the smart play (and, again, I NEVER heard any different proposal from you)


point proven....but maybe it's a matter of perspective. A player flat out says this game is a 3 way and berates all players that contradict with this publicly, has an obvious year 1 alliance with the player I would be asking him to attack, I have obvious naval vulnerabilities that necessitate an assist from one ally in that situation...I'm not, nor should I feel comfortable asking them for a two way. The onus is on him and you dictated with your diplomacy and public press you were board with the game and wanted to end with at three way. Had your "three way push" been a ruse to try to do better, I expected you to reach out to me. "something like, let me whittle my share of these little power to get large enough to take on Madrid with you" You never did. Don't pretend you had ambitions but did not pursue them because I didn't ask you to.

Also, you're poised, should we play out this year or 2 you'd be the leader yourself at 15/16 Centers needing only to stab Madrid for the near surefire solo

AardvarkArmy wrote:
presser84 wrote: B) I'm not really sure what you're talking about. I lack a navy in both the north and south. There was no way I could solo unless one of you gave me the game. AND not securing positions in central Europe would have left me vulnerable to a Madrid stab that would have given him the game


Ummm... You are only 2 away from solo right now, with Smyrna in serious danger... and, unless you didn't notice, one of us very nearly DID throw the game to you


Ummm... I'm not. Solo VC is 21 centers.

AardvarkArmy wrote:
presser84 wrote: C) I might add you are really high strung. Maybe you need to cut out the coffee. Maybe it's harder stuff or maybe my jests get lost in translation over the internet but to me what are just intended as minor japes are fucking atom bombs on your mother's house. Chill the fuck out. The game is (basically) over.


LOL! LOL! LOL! I'm high strung??? LOL! LOL! LOL! I should only post the series of 13 (THIRTEEN!!!) PMs you sent me on June 9 just because I chose my own path in assisting you against Berlin. I was ready to pull the plug on this game completely after that exhausting series of tirades! High strung indeed!!! LOL!


Within those PMs were plenty of jabs I made that you took way to personally. Feel free to post them if you wish, I'm confident it will only further prove my point.

Re: Fall 1909 Results

PostPosted: 16 Jun 2013, 10:23
by presser84
your lack of knowledge of the 21 center VC further proves my point. Your current count +Mun Ber Kiel St Pete and any 1 Madrid center (all attainable by you in the next 2 game years) could have gotten you 18 (since you thought that was the solo VC) Even if you feared me as a solo threat you could have pushed St Pete and Kiel. I go from 15 to 13 and you from 13 to 15. You could "solo" the following year Mun, Ber, and Port (not really solo you'd think you were soloing but that's 18). But again, it's OF COURSE my fault you didn't try for that because I wasn't "forward" enough diplomatically with you.

Re: Fall 1909 Results

PostPosted: 16 Jun 2013, 10:35
by AardvarkArmy
I am sorry that you are disappointed that you didn't lose!

Wow!

What an argument!

And, noting that your THIRTEEN pm's in a single day, on the topic that my help to you wasn't precisely in the manner that you dictated, contained "plenty of jabs" shows ME to be the high strung one... exactly, how?

Can you, perhaps, understand why there was zero possibility of any further collaboration between us, if it was going to be that much trouble to help you in any way?

TAKE YOUR COMPLIMENT ON THE GAME WELL PLAYED

Beyond that, I'm done with you