The one thing I dislike about Ancient Med is the sheer number of neutral supply centers it has: 19.
19 neutrals, for just 15 HOME SUPPLY CENTERS.
According to Math, roughly one third of the map should be neutrals. In Ancient Med, over half of the supply centers are neutrals.
Now, I believe that this is part of the reason Ancient Med is so popular; people get more neutral supply centers. Everyone loves playing a game where you'll get three neutrals in the first year! But for me, this ruins a lot of the early-game tension.
Now, I'm guessing I'm missing something, as I don't actually have that much experience with the variant, and others do. I'm just curious what it is I'm missing.
And I know this isn't really strategy, but I wasn't sure where else to post this.
Too many neutrals?
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Too many neutrals?
by Shibabalo » 12 Dec 2012, 00:22
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Re: Too many neutrals?
by Pedros » 12 Dec 2012, 00:31
Just play a few games Shibabalo. Totally different dynamic from Regular. I believe super_dipsy was a bit dooubtful when we presented him with Ancient Med as the first completely different variant for the site. I played the first game on main site with him, and he was convinced immediately.
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Re: Too many neutrals?
by Shibabalo » 12 Dec 2012, 01:03
Pedros wrote:Just play a few games Shibabalo. Totally different dynamic from Regular. I believe super_dipsy was a bit dooubtful when we presented him with Ancient Med as the first completely different variant for the site. I played the first game on main site with him, and he was convinced immediately.
I suppose I will have to. Will get back to you as soon as I do.
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Re: Too many neutrals?
by diplomat42 » 12 Dec 2012, 02:27
I LOVE IT.
Partly because I suck less at it than I do at regular (yes, it's connected to more neutrals), partly because it's FUN to have 3 builds.
I don't see any downside.
Partly because I suck less at it than I do at regular (yes, it's connected to more neutrals), partly because it's FUN to have 3 builds.
I don't see any downside.
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Re: Too many neutrals?
by Nobody44 » 13 Dec 2012, 17:22
Although everyone can get three neutrals, I have found (in the few games I am playing) that often not everyone does. For example, Rome and Carthage can bounce in Sardinia. It creates a different form of tension, where everyone wants to negotiate a way to their three builds, while saving as many centers as possible for the next year.
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Re: Too many neutrals?
by Mortiferus Rosa » 28 Jan 2013, 17:21
Lol, my record on Ancient Med has been abysmal. I have yet to survive a game, let alone draw or win.
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Re: Too many neutrals?
by diplomat42 » 29 Jan 2013, 00:14
Mortiferus Rosa wrote:Lol, my record on Ancient Med has been abysmal. I have yet to survive a game, let alone draw or win.
Whereas mine's better than Regular!
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Re: Too many neutrals?
by Shibabalo » 29 Jan 2013, 13:22
I just recently finished my first Ancient Med game in which I soloed...
so I take back what I said. It IS fun. Just in a different way.
so I take back what I said. It IS fun. Just in a different way.
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Re: Too many neutrals?
by Pedros » 06 Feb 2013, 14:12
Great variant, absolutely great!
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Re: Too many neutrals?
by PriestProphetKing » 22 Apr 2013, 01:21
I have played just two games on Ancient Med and both I have soloed. I don't know why. First I was Persia, the second I was Rome. I don't can barely get myself beyond a four-way draw on the regular map. So, I don't know if it has to do with the additional builds which are easy for everyone, the type of people drawn to ancient med or what, but I find it much easier.
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