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Re: Alien Infection Mafia

PostPosted: 26 Jan 2018, 16:58
by kimpossible
Gah. It's also an alien victory if the last two Infected are shot and only two humans remain. They'll both get infected.

I'll have to make it only one new infection if both Infected get eliminated.

Re: Alien Infection Mafia

PostPosted: 26 Jan 2018, 17:02
by kimpossible
kimbyrle wrote:Gah. It's also an alien victory if the last two Infected are shot and only two humans remain. They'll both get infected.

I'll have to make it only one new infection if both Infected get eliminated.

Yeah. I think that balances it. Look the new tweaks over for me?

Re: Alien Infection Mafia

PostPosted: 30 Jan 2018, 18:05
by mhsmith0
Do the aliens have a night kill? If not this can get kind of ugly fairly quickly, as 9/2 nightless even with some extra hijinks to help aliens get to parity faster can get really really really ugly for wolves

Without a night kill the fastest path to victory is:
Day 1 Mislynch 6 healthy / 2 infected / 2 aliens
Day 2 Mislynch 5 healthy / 2 infected / 2 aliens
Day 3 Mislynch 4 healthy / 2 infected / 2 aliens
and I think you said the bad guys needed to outnumber town outright?
So (again, only if I understand setup correctly) you're really getting to
Aliens PROBABLY win if they mislynch 4 straight days (but if infections aren't set right that night, they'd need to mislynch AGAIN on day 5 if i read it right), without a night kill, and without the ability to shift around infections accountability-free (i.e. people will know if they lost infection status, which is manipulable information but is still not nothing)

Also if aliens DO have a night kill this is pretty badly wolfsided, as 9/2 mountainous (no power roles of any sort, scum get a night kill) is roughly balanced for this site, and 9/2 mountainous where scum can potentially hit parity a lot faster than normal is ez street potentially

Day 1 mislynch 6/2/2
Night 1 kill 5/2/2
Day 2 mislynch 4/2/2
Night 2 kill 3/2/2 game over

Re: Alien Infection Mafia

PostPosted: 30 Jan 2018, 18:08
by mhsmith0
Strategy-wise, if I assume this is nightless (no factional kill) what's the benefit for aliens bothering to infect anyone before numbers get close to endgame? It seems like infecting people early in the game creates potentially useful information for town (both if/when they get uninfected and if/when they get lynched and infected status is revealed), while infection status only actually matters for wincon when it nears endgame?

Re: Alien Infection Mafia

PostPosted: 30 Jan 2018, 18:08
by kimpossible
mhsmith0 wrote:Do the aliens have a night kill? If not this can get kind of ugly fairly quickly, as 9/2 nightless even with some extra hijinks to help aliens get to parity faster can get really really really ugly for wolves

Without a night kill the fastest path to victory is:
Day 1 Mislynch 6 healthy / 2 infected / 2 aliens
Day 2 Mislynch 5 healthy / 2 infected / 2 aliens
Day 3 Mislynch 4 healthy / 2 infected / 2 aliens
and I think you said the bad guys needed to outnumber town outright?
So (again, only if I understand setup correctly) you're really getting to
Aliens PROBABLY win if they mislynch 4 straight days (but if infections aren't set right that night, they'd need to mislynch AGAIN on day 5 if i read it right), without a night kill, and without the ability to shift around infections accountability-free (i.e. people will know if they lost infection status, which is manipulable information but is still not nothing)

Also if aliens DO have a night kill this is pretty badly wolfsided, as 9/2 mountainous (no power roles of any sort, scum get a night kill) is roughly balanced for this site, and 9/2 mountainous where scum can potentially hit parity a lot faster than normal is ez street potentially

Day 1 mislynch 6/2/2
Night 1 kill 5/2/2
Day 2 mislynch 4/2/2
Night 2 kill 3/2/2 game over

No night kill -- that's in the section on the Aliens.

Re: Alien Infection Mafia

PostPosted: 30 Jan 2018, 18:10
by kimpossible
mhsmith0 wrote:Strategy-wise, if I assume this is nightless (no factional kill) what's the benefit for aliens bothering to infect anyone before numbers get close to endgame? It seems like infecting people early in the game creates potentially useful information for town (both if/when they get uninfected and if/when they get lynched and infected status is revealed), while infection status only actually matters for wincon when it nears endgame?

Does that make it too scum-sided? Would making infections non-optional fix the problem?

Re: Alien Infection Mafia

PostPosted: 30 Jan 2018, 18:50
by kimpossible
kimbyrle wrote:
mhsmith0 wrote:Strategy-wise, if I assume this is nightless (no factional kill) what's the benefit for aliens bothering to infect anyone before numbers get close to endgame? It seems like infecting people early in the game creates potentially useful information for town (both if/when they get uninfected and if/when they get lynched and infected status is revealed), while infection status only actually matters for wincon when it nears endgame?

Does that make it too scum-sided? Would making infections non-optional fix the problem?

Changed now.

Re: Alien Infection Mafia

PostPosted: 30 Jan 2018, 19:54
by mhsmith0
kimbyrle wrote:
mhsmith0 wrote:Strategy-wise, if I assume this is nightless (no factional kill) what's the benefit for aliens bothering to infect anyone before numbers get close to endgame? It seems like infecting people early in the game creates potentially useful information for town (both if/when they get uninfected and if/when they get lynched and infected status is revealed), while infection status only actually matters for wincon when it nears endgame?

Does that make it too scum-sided? Would making infections non-optional fix the problem?

I think without a night kill it's heavily townsided, with a night kill it's heavily wolfsided

Not sure what the right fix is, possibly playing with the factional sizes?

Re: Alien Infection Mafia

PostPosted: 30 Jan 2018, 19:59
by kimpossible
mhsmith0 wrote:
kimbyrle wrote:
mhsmith0 wrote:Strategy-wise, if I assume this is nightless (no factional kill) what's the benefit for aliens bothering to infect anyone before numbers get close to endgame? It seems like infecting people early in the game creates potentially useful information for town (both if/when they get uninfected and if/when they get lynched and infected status is revealed), while infection status only actually matters for wincon when it nears endgame?

Does that make it too scum-sided? Would making infections non-optional fix the problem?

I think without a night kill it's heavily townsided, with a night kill it's heavily wolfsided

Not sure what the right fix is, possibly playing with the factional sizes?

NK after a correct lynch?

Re: Alien Infection Mafia

PostPosted: 30 Jan 2018, 20:00
by kimpossible
mhsmith0 wrote:
kimbyrle wrote:
mhsmith0 wrote:Strategy-wise, if I assume this is nightless (no factional kill) what's the benefit for aliens bothering to infect anyone before numbers get close to endgame? It seems like infecting people early in the game creates potentially useful information for town (both if/when they get uninfected and if/when they get lynched and infected status is revealed), while infection status only actually matters for wincon when it nears endgame?

Does that make it too scum-sided? Would making infections non-optional fix the problem?

I think without a night kill it's heavily townsided, with a night kill it's heavily wolfsided

Not sure what the right fix is, possibly playing with the factional sizes?

Or start at 2-8?