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nanooktheeskimo wrote:I think I like the sound of that--it makes it a lot harder as town to just say "Let's lynch the PR right away then play this essentially as vanilla." If there's two PRs and one of them has utility to the town, that's a lot harder choice to make. I still might be tempted to say lynch both of them first and get it out of the way, but that's a much harder choice to make when there's two as opposed to just the one.

kimbyrle wrote:

nanooktheeskimo wrote:I think I like the sound of that--it makes it a lot harder as town to just say "Let's lynch the PR right away then play this essentially as vanilla." If there's two PRs and one of them has utility to the town, that's a lot harder choice to make. I still might be tempted to say lynch both of them first and get it out of the way, but that's a much harder choice to make when there's two as opposed to just the one.

It also essentially makes the real Nesmith unkillable for a while. If mafia kills one, town will lynch the other in a hot second.

During the night phase, either Nesmith or Sarris or both may choose to activate the Omega-13. This will immediately revive any players who are dead, whose alignments have not yet been revealed, and cancels any other night actions taken by any other players. Note that this ability cannot revive a night killed player, as it resolves before a night kill occurs, although it does prevent a night kill from occurring that night.

nanooktheeskimo wrote:Question for Telleo. From the current set of the rules:

During the night phase, either Nesmith or Sarris or both may choose to activate the Omega-13. This will immediately revive any players who are dead, whose alignments have not yet been revealed, and cancels any other night actions taken by any other players. Note that this ability cannot revive a night killed player, as it resolves before a night kill occurs, although it does prevent a night kill from occurring that night.

Two questions here, really. One, does this mean that NKs are dead, dead, dead as a doornail, and cannot be revived, period, end of story, that's all she wrote?

Two, is there a limit to the number of uses of the Omega-13?

Actually, just thought of a third as well. Say that it's 3:2 town to scum, with Nesmith still alive. If the town mislynches, do they lose immediately, or does Nesmith get a chance to use the Omega-13 to revive the mislynched town player?

As written, yes. I'm not sure if I'm sticking with that, because it seems pretty pro-mafia in this setup. The other option is to have the ability function as it was originally written (able to res NK'd players during the day following their resurrection), but add the clause that if both Nesmith's attempt to activate the ability, it doesn't fire at all - that way, the town Nesmith can't guarantee a resurrection of every NK.

nanooktheeskimo wrote:I would almost say that Nesmith/Sarris (referring to them as the singular Nesmith from here out) should be secrets...as in they get their Nesmith/Sardis role, but they also get cover identities. That would solve the 50/50 shot at LYLO thing, as well as take away the incentive to immediately kill the Nesmiths. It does open up a lot of possibility for fake Nesmith claims, which the scum would probably have an easier time with given that they can coordinate it better with night chat. Not sure what other cans of worms that opens up, or if it ruins the mechanic, but it might be something to consider.

kimbyrle wrote:

nanooktheeskimo wrote:I would almost say that Nesmith/Sarris (referring to them as the singular Nesmith from here out) should be secrets...as in they get their Nesmith/Sardis role, but they also get cover identities. That would solve the 50/50 shot at LYLO thing, as well as take away the incentive to immediately kill the Nesmiths. It does open up a lot of possibility for fake Nesmith claims, which the scum would probably have an easier time with given that they can coordinate it better with night chat. Not sure what other cans of worms that opens up, or if it ruins the mechanic, but it might be something to consider.

I just want to clarify this for myself -- when you say cover identities, does that then open it that any of the characters previously named plus a new one could be the secret Nesmiths? Because if not, then we immediately know which one it is, since they were added after this whole discussion.

Keirador wrote:Ah, Spy vs. Spy. If I'd just had more time, I'd have caught you, Telleo. By Grabthar's Hammer I swear it.