Quick Guide: Support order.

[presser84]

So I have a question about diagram 14 in the rule book.

Basically would both armies be disloged? The diagram is supposed to be showing the example of how a disloged army can't affect the territory from which the attack that disloged it came from. So that means it can't stop the army from Sev moving to Rum, but would both Rum and Bul armies need to retreat?

I think the answer is "Yes" and my reasoning is like this.. the attack on Rum = 2 the unit is not holding and = 1 So the attack on Rum wins. The attack on Bul = 3 and the unit is not holding so = 1 and thus both units are dislodged and must retreat, but what gets me is that if that is true, any attack that dislodges you while not holding causes your attack to fail, since supporting a hold on a unit that is not holding has no affect. I mean that makes the most sense to me, but I just want to make sure I have this right before I dive in.

Thanks,
C.

I believe you are referencing this from the rule book.

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Remember that two armies can not switch places in adjacent territories without a convoy. Bulgaria is attacked from Rumania with a strength of 3 (Rum, Ser, Gre). Rumania is attacked with the strength of 2 (Bul and Bla Sea). 3>2. What happens here is that the Army in Bulgaria is dislodged by the army in Rumania moving to Bulgaria. Turkey's attack on Rumania fails becuase it only has a force of 2.

[Cheruvim]

So I have a question about diagram 14 in the rule book.

Basically would both armies be disloged? The diagram is supposed to be showing the example of how a disloged army can't affect the territory from which the attack that disloged it came from. So that means it can't stop the army from Sev moving to Rum, but would both Rum and Bul armies need to retreat?

I think the answer is "Yes" and my reasoning is like this.. the attack on Rum = 2 the unit is not holding and = 1 So the attack on Rum wins. The attack on Bul = 3 and the unit is not holding so = 1 and thus both units are dislodged and must retreat, but what gets me is that if that is true, any attack that dislodges you while not holding causes your attack to fail, since supporting a hold on a unit that is not holding has no affect. I mean that makes the most sense to me, but I just want to make sure I have this right before I dive in.

Thanks,
C.

I believe you are referencing this from the rule book.

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Yes, my confusion is why Turkey doesn't dislodge the Bulgarian attacking army since 2>1 but I guess there are only two outcomes when two territories attack each other at the same time... bounce or one gets dislodged depending on who is the stronger power.

Thanks for the clarification.

C.
Remember that two armies can not switch places in adjacent territories without a convoy. Bulgaria is attacked from Rumania with a strength of 3 (Rum, Ser, Gre). Rumania is attacked with the strength of 2 (Bul and Bla Sea). 3>2. What happens here is that the Army in Bulgaria is dislodged by the army in Rumania moving to Bulgaria. Turkey's attack on Rumania fails becuase it only has a force of 2.

[NewHalburk]

Okay, I made this set of orders recently

F Spain (SC) to Portugal
A Marsaille Support F Spain (SC) to Hold

There was a fleet in Portugal and F Spain (SC) bounced
Would the support order effect F Spain (SC)? Or is it basically useless?

[WHSeward]

It is useless. A unit ordered to move may not be supported to hold.

[Shampoo]

It is useless. A unit ordered to move may not be supported to hold.

Can a unit A which ordered to support B -> C be supported to hold by D (D supports A to hold)?

Suppose A gets attacked with support, does A hold if he gave a supportorder but was supported to hold by D?

[Carebear]

Can a unit A which ordered to support B -> C be supported to hold by D (D supports A to hold)?

Suppose A gets attacked with support, does A hold if he gave a supportorder but was supported to hold by D?

Yes, unit A did not move and therefore may receive support to hold. However, when attacked, its support of B to C is cut.

[Shampoo]

Thanks!

[Shampoo]

One more question. A supports B to hold. B moves to C but bounces. Is B still supported by A to hold?

[musashisamurai]

One more question. A supports B to hold. B moves to C but bounces. Is B still supported by A to hold?

I wouldn't think so, because B wasn't ordered to hold.

This is a good way to trip up allies during a backstab, because their units would effectively be doing nothing if they had supported you and you did something else.

[Carebear]

One more question. A supports B to hold. B moves to C but bounces. Is B still supported by A to hold?

No, even though unit B remained in place, it moved and cannot receive a hold support.