kimbyrle wrote:
I am super pro card reveals. We should be gaming the match outcomes.
I hate this. I hate this doubly because it's probably right. Info-sec me doesn't want to show my hand (heh heh) but I agree with sjg/nook/kim idea that we want low vote totals, and that gaming the matches seems like a good way to achieve this. I don't really see any way around revealing cards, although I suggest we wait till everyone's in thread, in case there's something not match-related that we might want to keep cards secret for.
Oh man do I feel you. Flavor-Telleo wants to cheat in every match and interfere in everyone else's. Probs not a great plan though.
Maybe to set up a match at some point where we can guarantee nobody will intentionally disqualify themselves? Prevent interference by scumsters?
My natural inclination is to KISS - Keep It Simple, Stupid. Focus on paired matches, with triple threats thrown around as our numbers require. It should make setting up wins/loses relatively easy. Sjg makes a good point that in later days we might want to limit the number of losers/winners by increasing our number of triple threats/fatal four ways. Seems reasonable.
I'm not especially bothered by sjg's "no factional night kill" statement because the rules straight-up say "A traditional guaranteed night kill is specifically not provided to the Heels." It's followed by "other methods of a kill may be available to them," but to me that feels like a townie oversight, and if anything just suggests he has no such ability.
I tend to agree. I could easily see that being read as "There's absolutely no NK but I want there to be some uncertainty so I'm leaving the door open." I don't AGREE with that reading, but I see how Sjg came to that conclusion, and it doesn't seem alignment indicative.
THIS, however... raises eyebrows:
Sjg11 wrote:AM I THE ONLY ONE WHO READ THE POST WHERE I WAS THE NIGHT-KILL TARGET?
...was that what happened? I mean... you're alive, aren't you? Why do you go so quickly from "There's no NK" to "I was targeted by a NK?"
Did ZZ tell you anything regarding your attack that he hasn't told us?
And this all brings me to this:
Sjg11THIRD PARTY IS NOT TOWN. This is doubly true in Sjg's case, where he doesn't have any interest in helping the town through the first few days only to betray them later. He literally just wants me dead. This is highly damaging to the town's ability to function, not least of which because it means that if I ever become a lynch target (even if we're approaching or at LYLO), I can't be lynched while Sjg is still in the game. He should be removed, ASAP. There's literally no reason to not kill him tonight, unless we get caught scum. Really, even then there's an argument to make that unless/until I'm cleared town, Sjg's a permanent threat to our ability to freely control our lynches.
I really actually hate that I have to vote him so early, because it means I can't make a joke about not voting Sjg because the cop will invariably tell us if he's scum tomorrow morning.
JoeHoya06 wrote:It's good that we've taken all the fun out of the variant even BEFORE Day 1, so good job, guys!
• This is ZoomZip's game, so I feel like I should throw down a vote in my first D1 post as an homage. It's going to SJG11, for two reasons. One, I did not like the low-key shading of the "note that Kim, Joe, and DWilt used their promos for flavor instead of how I am using it" comment. The flavor is the entire reason I'm playing the game, so yeah, I'm gonna embrace that. That's also a borderline shitty reason for a vote, though, so...
...two, your discussion of the championship is the scummiest thing that happened on N0. The rules even explicitly say that there may be methods of killing players overnight. And your claim that the championship is an immunity idol seems to neglect the fact that there's a lynch vote, and that the paragraph describing it says nothing about the champion not being eligible for a lynch. You seem to know a lot about the championship for someone who doesn't have the belt.
This, is a bad vote. Why is it bad that Sjg reminds everyone that our promos don't HAVE to be flavor-only? It shows that he's not just thinking but that he wants others to think. Also, I fail to see how "There's not traditional NK, but there might be other methods of killing" translates to "there's no reason to ever think the scum might not have a kill."
There's also nothing in his discussion of the championship that you couldn't know by reading the rules. As champion, I can't be eliminated via injury. The rules straight-up say that. If the scum are forced to attempt to kill people by injuring them, the Championship is immunity to NK's. That's what Sjg was referencing, and it's literally what the Immunity Idols did in those games. How much did you understand about what Sjg was saying before you dropped this vote?
• I'm not
entirely sure I buy Telleo's "hidden rule" claim on its surface simply from the standpoint that it seems like the kind of thing there's no need to have a rule for. What "penalty" would there be for not accepting a challenge? What would happen if the challenged player cut their promo first,
then received challenges (like when Nanook challenged me)? They couldn't accept ANY of them at that point.
At the same time, it makes even less sense that she would make something like that up, so, I guess it's probably real. Kinda want to vote her anyway for accepting SJG's challenge over mine when I CLEARLY deserve the title shot more than he does.
Why?
What possible reason do I have for lying about something so easily verifiable? Also, how did you miss the OTHER hidden rules that have become evident since then? Like, you come to the conclusion that I'm probably telling the truth so... why is this important to throw out?
By the way, since you express concern, I asked ZZ what happens if a player is challenged after cutting their own promo (referencing his rule that a challenge is auto-accepted if not specifically declined) and he responds that such challenges are ignored, per the rules. [/quote]
• Although, I wish ZZ would have booked the four-way match because it's therefore a given that SJG would have finished fourth. #soccerjoke
• I get why you guys want to pre-script the outcomes – hey, maybe you're embracing the flavor more than I thought – but there's really no point in doing it D1, unless someone moves way ahead of the pack in regards to who looks the heel-iest, right? We're all at one vote – allegedly – so we can't fall below, and someone is going to win every match unless we drew a matching token to our opponent. Over half the...uh...town? promotion? league?...has about 24 hours to submit a token, and I doubt we're going to get anywhere before then in regards to how to decide who beats who.
True that it doesn't matter who wins today, however, we still need it planned. Else, we don't know who to challenge during the night. So it's not crucial that we make a plan in the next 24 hours, since we can make a plan that includes those results, but we do need to know what we're doing by the end of the day.
I see there's more PPE, but I've gotta go to class so the rest will wait till tonight.
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it makes an old friend sad now impress me XD
(now gifted to its rightful owner)