Mafia CLXIV: Second Chance Mafia Day 4

[RedSun]

Could you also show me K's corrobation?

sjg you made a lot of accusations D1 on you and Starwatcher. Could you link me games where you jumped to similar accusations as town?

[sjg11]

Could you link me the other game where he was aloof as mafia? If there are particular messages in that game that'd help I'd like that too.

http://www.playdiplomacy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=314&t=55651

ZZ being aloof as Mafia

K's corroboration:

Just building on the timezones point Keirador, I feel like my playing style is important here. Like you yourself state it when you say that ZZ's more likely to be the guy who games the situation out and I'm more likely to be the guy who improvises in the moment.

But this is also relevant to my impact as town. There's a reason why I'm most dangerous as town just before the deadline. That short space of time when you have almost no time to think and are acting on the fly... THAT's my best quality as town. I think things through to a reasonable extent and I'm still a relatively deep thinker about the game, don't get me wrong, but if you're looking for the King Strategist it ain't me. What I'm best at though is coming up with brief moments of inspiration that can win a game for the town. And in my view there's nobody who does THAT better than me.

So, slamming the deadline at 5 AM my time is... kinda like putting a word limit on Crunkus posts. It SERIOUSLY reduces my effectiveness as a townie. So when judging my impact on this game... you HAVE to bear that in mind.

This is fair and true.

Me pushing a wagon as Town:
http://www.playdiplomacy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=314&t=55289

See Day One of this game, me pushing the SF wagon.

[RedSun]

I'm so confused right now…

Nick are you here? I want to discuss thoughts with you.

[shadowface]

ZOOMZIP: Why don't you answer my questions?

Starting here:
http://www.playdiplomacy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=306&t=56216&start=982

[shadowface]

Your not that easy to town read this game.

I found both ZZ and sjg easy to townread... which isn't particularly helpful. But having played with both on quite a few occasions, sjg stood out as much easier to townread tonally, relative to his scum play.

I think you have to remember something in this game. I'm not easy to townread COMPARED to ZZ. I was widely, and correctly, read as town before today. The fact that today has been such a challenge is an incredible testament to ZZ's play in this game.

This too. I've mentioned before that I naturally have an inherent townread on ZZ every game for no reason. He's one of those guys who just comes across as townie. On the one occasion I actually successful identified ZZ, I had to artificially step away from my gut read of him and be critical of his play.

[shadowface]

I'm so confused right now…

Nick are you here? I want to discuss thoughts with you.

You can discuss thoughts with me if you like. I know you can't trust I'm town, but I can try to reply rationally so that you can consider for yourself if what I'm saying checks out.

[shadowface]

You're town aren't you SF? Like I can't see any other explanation for switching back to ZZ here.

To be honest I might still switch around my vote: I was willing to do this when I went to bed last night, but I like my ZZ vote even more this morning so it's probably staying where it is. The fact that ZZ came on and didn't answer my questions just makes him look worse in my eyes.

@SJG: If you believe this, is it impacting your outlook on the game? Because you realize you win either way if you're town and I'm town, right?

[RedSun]

My gut says sjg is scum but ZZ hasn't been helpful to the town really this entire game. I'm going with ZZ unless he starts talking because there is nothing ZZ did to forward the agenda of the town… all he did was not partake in what the general town did and did his own little thing to the side. Sjg I pray your innocent because unless ZZ or Nick show up Im going with ZZ right now because at least it seems like you tried to get the town moving.

[sjg11]

You're town aren't you SF? Like I can't see any other explanation for switching back to ZZ here.

To be honest I might still switch around my vote: I was willing to do this when I went to bed last night, but I like my ZZ vote even more this morning so it's probably staying where it is. The fact that ZZ came on and didn't answer my questions just makes him look worse in my eyes.

@SJG: If you believe this, is it impacting your outlook on the game? Because you realize you win either way if you're town and I'm town, right?

No. I want to win as town. Like, winning as the convert in this case is just... such a lame way to win the game. I wouldn't count that as a win.

[sjg11]

My gut says sjg is scum but ZZ hasn't been helpful to the town really this entire game. I'm going with ZZ unless he starts talking because there is nothing ZZ did to forward the agenda of the town… all he did was not partake in what the general town did and did his own little thing to the side. Sjg I pray your innocent because unless ZZ or Nick show up Im going with ZZ right now because at least it seems like you tried to get the town moving.

Is there anything worrying you about me that I CAN respond to? Like a gut read is fine but I can't really deal with it if it's wrong, as it is in this case.