Mafia CLXIV: Second Chance Mafia Day 4

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Re: Second Chance Mafia Night 0

Postby sjg11 » 08 Sep 2017, 15:50

Zoomzip wrote:Also, SJG, I'd love to gloat but I'm seeing the Everton match tomorrow with some coworkers, so I'm gonna be nervous until that is done.

Yeah Everton are a good side, they're always solid opponents. I'll prepare some mockery in case of defeat.

PPE: And my last post should be 2 life pool not 2 player pool.
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Re: Second Chance Mafia Night 0

Postby Zoomzip » 08 Sep 2017, 15:51

If someone is NKed or misvoted, and flips town, they are not a vote candidate until we get at least one scum player killed. Dig me?

PPE: And your last post is still amazingly bad if you are trying to insist it is a real vote -- grasp the actual issue being discussed. And consider it. I think it is town positive.
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Re: Second Chance Mafia Night 0

Postby sjg11 » 08 Sep 2017, 15:53

Zoomzip wrote:

Proposed: Until we get 1 scum player lynched, we only lynch from the 2 life pool -- Agree or Disagree?

But we're all (scum excepted) in the 2 life pool.

Ohh I'm misunderstanding you. You're saying we shouldn't lynch already killed players until we find 1 Mafia (which is sensible) for a few days not "Let's lynch a 2-life player instead of a 1-life player today". Sorry I thought it was a slip that you knew who had 1 life NOW rather than a discussion about a plan for the future when people start dying.

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Re: Second Chance Mafia Night 0

Postby sjg11 » 08 Sep 2017, 15:54

Zoomzip wrote:If someone is NKed or misvoted, and flips town, they are not a vote candidate until we get at least one scum player killed. Dig me?

Like I said, I misunderstood what you were saying. I thought you were showing knowledge of who only had 1 life NOW (which would be a scumslip) rather than discussing the above.
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Re: Second Chance Mafia Night 0

Postby Zoomzip » 08 Sep 2017, 15:59

sjg11 wrote:
Zoomzip wrote:If someone is NKed or misvoted, and flips town, they are not a vote candidate until we get at least one scum player killed. Dig me?

Like I said, I misunderstood what you were saying. I thought you were showing knowledge of who only had 1 life NOW (which would be a scumslip) rather than discussing the above.


OK cool. Now, given that you understand the idea -- is it a good one? I think it is. Right now we KNOW there must be 2 scum in the 2 life pool. Every misvote and NK makes that pool smaller. So, FMPV -- I think casting a vote randomly has a 33% chance of being correct.

However, after an NK and a mislynch (that aren't me) both flipping town, a vote in the 2 life pool (which has gone from 6 to 4) now has a 50% chance of being correct.

Now... there is a bit of a counter to this I could anticipate, which would limit it somewhat.
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Re: Second Chance Mafia Night 0

Postby sjg11 » 08 Sep 2017, 16:47

Zoomzip wrote:
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Zoomzip wrote:If someone is NKed or misvoted, and flips town, they are not a vote candidate until we get at least one scum player killed. Dig me?

Like I said, I misunderstood what you were saying. I thought you were showing knowledge of who only had 1 life NOW (which would be a scumslip) rather than discussing the above.


OK cool. Now, given that you understand the idea -- is it a good one? I think it is. Right now we KNOW there must be 2 scum in the 2 life pool. Every misvote and NK makes that pool smaller. So, FMPV -- I think casting a vote randomly has a 33% chance of being correct.

However, after an NK and a mislynch (that aren't me) both flipping town, a vote in the 2 life pool (which has gone from 6 to 4) now has a 50% chance of being correct.

Now... there is a bit of a counter to this I could anticipate, which would limit it somewhat.

I think I may see the Counter which would somewhat limit this (but will withhold saying it unless necessary today as I feel like the pros still outweigh the cons and I don't want to be giving the Mafia advice/ideas) but I also think it's a good idea. I think it allows us to really zone in on the original Mafia, which really helps us, while also allowing us to gather data on who the Changy Guy is.
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Re: Second Chance Mafia Night 0

Postby NicholasIII » 08 Sep 2017, 17:43

First of hello to everyone and thanks for the warm welcome !
I agree with the idea of Zoomzip, seems like a good way to get rid of the original scum and I personnaly can't really think of a good Counter
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Re: Second Chance Mafia Night 0

Postby Nanook » 08 Sep 2017, 18:32

I'm not really sure what my biggest scumtell would be, given that I've only played one game as scum. I suppose a sense of certainty about alignments might be, but I'm very confident reads as town sometimes too, so I'm not sure how much of a tell it is--others would probably know better than me, really.

Regarding ZZ and SJG's interaction. I think that I like ZZ more out of it--feels a little disingenuous on the part of SJG, trying to manufacture a "scumslip." I don't feel strongly about it, but that would be my impression.

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Re: Second Chance Mafia Night 0

Postby StarWatcher009 » 08 Sep 2017, 18:45

I'm not really sure about my scumtell, or what it would be seeing as I've never played scum; at least online. I imagine I'd speak less and be less confrontational. That's what happens to me when I'm nervous, which I would be if I was scum, before every post I made. I'd also probably try and force posts when I don't really have something to say, to try and appear not to be lurking.

I like the proposed plan about limiting lynches. A dead person reborn has a 1/5 chance of being scum whereas the first life people have a 2/7 from the get go.
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Re: Second Chance Mafia Night 0

Postby shadowface » 08 Sep 2017, 19:21


GRRRRR... didn't scumZip say exactly this to me a few games ago? I just like being able to navigate the thread. :lol:

sjg11 wrote:What do you think is your main scumtell?

That there are mysteriously no nightkills because I am paranoid about getting caught.
Also, I have trouble placing votes as scum. It freaks me out and I often push it off to long.
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