Mafia CLXII: Men-At-Arms - Game Thread (Town wins!)

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Re: Mafia CLXII: Men-At-Arms - Game Thread (Day 4)

Postby Zoomzip » 31 Jul 2017, 00:16

Chronological Order
Thu Jul 20, 2017 02:21 GMT: shirt (1) by kimbyrle
Thu Jul 20, 2017 02:33 GMT: Shadowfriend1 (1) by Zoomzip
Thu Jul 20, 2017 02:58 GMT: Shadow (2) by asudevil
Thu Jul 20, 2017 03:53 GMT: UDC (1) by Harb
Thu Jul 20, 2017 07:38 GMT: Zoomzip (1) by Telleo
Thu Jul 20, 2017 19:24 GMT: UDC (2) by shadowfriend1
Thu Jul 20, 2017 23:56 GMT: ZoomZip (2) by shirt
Fri Jul 21, 2017 05:47 GMT: Shadowfriend1 (3) by UpsideDownChuck
Fri Jul 21, 2017 15:59 GMT: shadowfriend1 (4) by kimbyrle off of shirt (0)
Sat Jul 22, 2017 18:36 GMT: UpsideDownChuck (3) by Keirador
Sat Jul 22, 2017 22:45 GMT: shirt (1) by Zoomzip off of shadowfriend1 (3)
Sat Jul 22, 2017 23:11 GMT: ZoomZip (3) by Keirador off of UpsideDownChuck (2)
Sun Jul 23, 2017 01:04 GMT: Zoomzip (4) by shadowfriend1 off of UpsideDownChuck (1)
Sun Jul 23, 2017 01:15 GMT: UDC (2) by Keirador off of Zoomzip (3)
Sun Jul 23, 2017 02:03 GMT: SF1 (4) by Harb off of UpsideDownChuck (1)
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Re: Mafia CLXII: Men-At-Arms - Game Thread (Day 4)

Postby asudevil » 31 Jul 2017, 00:17

Keirador wrote:
asudevil wrote:
Keirador wrote:asu's not delving into reads at all, but never does, and he's basically cleared town,


If UDC is town...Ill have a LOT of work to do to figure out who is scum. But I don't think it will matter...cause he isn't

Sure, but it was your complaint that the town was too quiet. Youre part of why its quiet


I didn't really mind the quiet...I think I aid I didn't know what to make of it...
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Re: Mafia CLXII: Men-At-Arms - Game Thread (Day 4)de

Postby Keirador » 31 Jul 2017, 00:19

Keirador wrote:
Zoomzip wrote:
Ok, sorry, wasn't clear. I actually kind of dig the reasonining for thinking Harb/dude get town points for sf1 pushing a "keep Angua dead" philosophy. It is a connection i had not made, and I think it does suggest some view that scum knew Angua was town. I'm actually in favor of it, but didn't want to say that at the moment, so that's why you got a "that's interesting"

Also... along those lines, while i threw shade about Harb voting to save me too late on D1, he was also the intellectual driver against shirt most of that day. Now, that could be the kind of argument harb likes to have as scum, but it also destabilized and illuminated a potential scum buddy. Shirt's persistence was starting to look less like bullheadedness and more like deception. Shirt was weakened by those interactions with harb.

Since we're all voting UDC is just not worth talking about the moment where SF could feasibly have swung the lynch against UDC?

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Re: Mafia CLXII: Men-At-Arms - Game Thread (Day 4)

Postby Zoomzip » 31 Jul 2017, 00:26

Ok... so... walking through it again.

Shadow (4): Zoom, ASU, UDC, Kim
UDC (3): Harb, SF1, Keir
Zoom (2): Telleo, shirt

I move to shirt.

Shadow (3): ASU, UDC, Kim
UDC (3): harb, sf1, keir
Zoom (2): Telleo, shirt
Shirt (1): zoom
Tiebreak: sf1 is first to 3 based on UDC's vote.

Keir votes me. SF1 follows

Zoom (4): Telleo, shirt, Keir, SF1
Shadow (3): ASU, UDC, Kim
UDC (1): Harb
Shirt (1): Zoom

Well, at this point SF1 has moved the vote away from UDC to me.

Keir goes back to UDC...

Zoom(3): telleo, shirt, sf1
Shadow (3): asu, UDC, kim
UDC (2): harb, Keir
Shirt (1): zoom
Tiebreak: SF1 is again the first to have hit 3 due to UDC's vote, and she never dipped below 3.

So, if SF1 moves to UDC, she still loses on tiebreak. She needs shirt to move as well, but shirt has no record of voting UDC at all, so that would be weird if he suddenly moved with her.

GMT Code puts this at 1:15.

Harb consolidates the vote at 2:03 (48 minutes later) to put sf1 at 4 and seal the deal.

So the window for a coordinated shirt/sf1 move from zoom to UDC is 48 minutes.
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Re: Mafia CLXII: Men-At-Arms - Game Thread (Day 4)

Postby Zoomzip » 31 Jul 2017, 00:30

Ok, shirt and sf1 are both active in thread during that window. So they could have done it, but it would have required both to move.

I have attacked shirt for ignoring the sf1 vs UDC debate. Shirt's response is to double down on me. He still offers no opinion on either sf1 or UDC.

Question -- Keir, you seem to have been the most sympathetic to shirt during D2 per your own comments. If shirt and SF1 suddenly move in tandem to me, and I flip town, would have have affected your read of either?
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Re: Mafia CLXII: Men-At-Arms - Game Thread (Day 4)

Postby Zoomzip » 31 Jul 2017, 00:34

Shit, no, they move in tandem to UDC... so you don't get a flip on me, you get a flip on UDC.

Ok, so if UDC flips scum... what do we think about shirt/sf1?
If UDC flips town, what do we think about shirt/sf1?
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Re: Mafia CLXII: Men-At-Arms - Game Thread (Day 4)

Postby Zoomzip » 31 Jul 2017, 00:36

But Keir' argument is... they don't make the move because UDC is scum, so they can't move in tandem there lest they lose their buddy...

Ok...

But... they also can't move if he's town, right? SF1 has cover to move back, but shirt's got nothing. If they both move, and UDC flips town, then shirt looks hella scummy for ignoring the UDC case all frickin day, coming back into thread and prattling about me, and then blind voting UDC.

So they're frozen regardless of UDC's alignment? I think?
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Re: Mafia CLXII: Men-At-Arms - Game Thread (Day 4)

Postby Keirador » 31 Jul 2017, 00:44

ZZ, my argument is that SF DOES NOT need shirt, because Harb and I are already there and asudevil has said publicly and repeatedly that he would move to UDC. He's in thread in real-time TELLING shadowfriend that if she switches to UDC he will vote with her.
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Re: Mafia CLXII: Men-At-Arms - Game Thread (Day 4)

Postby Keirador » 31 Jul 2017, 00:46

SF sees asudevil say that and responds to it, saying she can't switch because then she'd lose on tiebreakers. . . totally ignoring that asudevil has just said he would switch with her.
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Re: Mafia CLXII: Men-At-Arms - Game Thread (Day 4)

Postby Zoomzip » 31 Jul 2017, 00:47



PPE: Hmmmm... okay, i did see that from asu... but since we know sf1 is scum, and asu is really damn likely to be town, requires a ton of trust by scum that the townie, who is publicly very anti-you, will actually follow you to a UDC vote. I mean... okay, it could happen... but suppose you are sf1 -- do you feel good that asu is going to back you up if you go back to UDC?

I suppose if you are desperate scum, it shouldn't matter...

Ok, I'm not saying it holds no water as a UDC is scum argument. It's suggestive. Not conclusive. Fair?
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