Uncontested Berlin Move Munich an Illegal Move?

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Uncontested Berlin Move Munich an Illegal Move?

Postby PonderStibbons » 16 Jul 2018, 06:14

In the Fall 1906 order resolution phase of Inferno (game number: 145645) a legal order (Army Berlin move Munich) was declared illegal. I checked the order history and contrary to my expectations none of my other units were ordered into Munich. did find one other order which was rightly declared illegal (Army Denmark move Berlin) and suspect this may be what triggered the error. This bug has had a large effect on the game, costing me one supply centre in a fall turn, and from follow on effects will cost me one to three centres depending on the actions of the player whose only remaining centre was Munich, which I attempted to take with a triply supported attac) by Winter 1907. If this is a bug (I've done some research and I'm pretty sure but as you may have guessed from my attempt to move Denmark to Berlin I am a new player) I would very much appreciate a correction. The game is currently in the Fall 1906 retreat phase and will be for the next 8 hours.
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Re: Uncontested Berlin Move Munich an Illegal Move?

Postby Don Juan of Austria » 16 Jul 2018, 06:54

It looks like a bug to me too. Unless I missed something....
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Re: Uncontested Berlin Move Munich an Illegal Move?

Postby super_dipsy » 16 Jul 2018, 06:56

Am I right in thinking you used the new Manual Override function to input your order?
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Re: Uncontested Berlin Move Munich an Illegal Move?

Postby PonderStibbons » 16 Jul 2018, 07:03

Not for my whole turn but for some of the Scandinavia/North Germany moves (I don't remember exactly which ones) I did.

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Re: Uncontested Berlin Move Munich an Illegal Move?

Postby super_dipsy » 16 Jul 2018, 07:09

Yeah, thought so. The problem is that you hit a bug in the new BETA level manual orders facility. The code is probably going to have some teething problems, which is why it is Beta and why it warns players to check their orders each time you use it to make sure they are what they were supposed to be. I suspect that the problem actually occurred during a Build phase where the manual orders interface did not build you the right thing, I am checking now. If it is possible for me to sort it out I will, but it may not be. Sorry about this :(
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Re: Uncontested Berlin Move Munich an Illegal Move?

Postby super_dipsy » 16 Jul 2018, 07:53

Actually, I am not sure you could have spotted it had gone wrong. Problem is when you built in St P in 1904, the manual orders interface hit a bug and built a you a unit with no type! It shows up on the map as an army, but as far as the submitting orders goes the system thinks it must be a fleet. So you didn't see the problem until now because all the previous moves of the unit were valid fleet moves. But of course trying to move a fleet from Berlin to Munich doesn't work!

I haven't found the bug in the manual orders code yet, but I have put some code in to prevent it getting to the database. Fortunately (but not for you :( ) this has only happened the once. If it happens again to anyone before I find the bug, they will get an alert warning them to try again because something went wrong.

I am now going to look at the game, but unless we are lucky it is going to be difficult to sort it. Can you confirm to me what unit yu MEANT to build in 1904 in St P? Did you mean to build a fleet on South Coast, or was it an army you were trying to build?
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Re: Uncontested Berlin Move Munich an Illegal Move?

Postby condude1 » 16 Jul 2018, 07:57

Wait a second. Does that mean that's actually a fleet in disguise? How can I get me one of those things? "Why yes, my army in Norway is totally on your side Germany! No, he'd NEEEEEEVER attack you, he can't swim!"

Ninjaed on the serious part. Was just about to say what Dipsy wrote!
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Re: Uncontested Berlin Move Munich an Illegal Move?

Postby super_dipsy » 16 Jul 2018, 08:00

condude1 wrote:Wait a second. Does that mean that's actually a fleet in disguise? How can I get me one of those things? "Why yes, my army in Norway is totally on your side Germany! No, he'd NEEEEEEVER attack you, he can't swim!"

:lol: Maybe we should introduce cloaking! At least in Stuff Happens, anyway

OK, I can reproduce the bug so I can fix it. It only happens with builds in coastal provinces which is why noone else has seen it yet (these are far less frequent).
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Re: Uncontested Berlin Move Munich an Illegal Move?

Postby super_dipsy » 16 Jul 2018, 08:39

Ponder, I'm going to PM you.
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