Chainsaw Diplmacy

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Chainsaw Diplmacy

Postby blazebbc » 17 Nov 2018, 23:16

"Chainsaw Diplomacy" is one of the most abused terms in this game. I have recently been told that a slew of profanity-laden insults is "Chainsaw Diplomacy." I have heard that many times. That is WRONG. Repeatedly hammering somebody with crude insults is bullying, not any sort of Diplomacy. Such insults serve no purpose in the game. When I GM games, they are reason to be disqualified. (Yes, that is different than the rules here.)

Here is a fine definition:

An effective piece of Chainsaw press should leave the recipient 100% certain that the letter writer is going to do exactly as he says. It's fundamental purpose is to deliver a message which cannot be ignored, even by the most suspicious, and usually with all of the subtlety of a black rose valentine.
That being said, let me also state what Chainsaw Diplomacy is not. It is not crude. Foul language has no place in any press, including Chainsaw press. It is not insulting -- threatening perhaps -- but not insulting. Name calling will not serve the purpose of getting your message across. It is not venting your spleen. Chainsaw press may be crafted to appear like an emotional outburst, but it never should be. It is a cool, calculated attempt to achieve by unreasonable statements, threats and demands, that which you were unable to achieve previously through reasonable negotiation.Chainsaw Diplomacy is called for if, and only if, you have exhausted all conventional means of effectively communicating with another power in the game, and you absolutely must be believed by that power on a specific point or points. Keep uppermost in your mind that the single, utilitarian purpose of press in Diplomacy is to communicate with the recipient. Never send a Chainsaw letter just because it makes you feel better to vent your emotions. Never send a chainsaw letter without knowing what reactions you wish to provoke.
-Paul Windsor, "Chainsaw Diplomacy".

Here is an example (which I am making up on the spot and has nothing to do with any current game):

Dear France,
You and had agreed that we were going to work against Germany. It is clear that he wants to attack you as he has attempted to move into Burgundy the last three turns. Yet, you are still unwilling to move against him - seemingly happy to fend off his assaults. I have repeatedly offered support against him. Twice we have agreed on support and you have not followed threw - despite the fact that it would have guaranteed that you take Belgium away from the German. As a result, our alliance is accomplishing nothing - which I find unacceptable. As much as I do not want to work with the German, I find your actions as my ally completely unacceptable. I am going to give you exactly one more opportunity to work with me. I am going to offer support into Belgium once again this turn. It is a fall turn and Germany cannot stop you. Should you fail to accept this support our alliance is over. I have just captured St. Petersburg and will have a build this year. If you do not take Belgium now, I will be building in Liverpool and you will not be able to stop me from entering MAO next fall. NTH will be headed to ENG and I will target Brest. My army currently in London will be convoying to Picardy or Brest as soon as it can be arranged and the German will be escorted into Paris. If I work with Germany, we will have the numbers you will fall - and quickly. Take your pick. I suggest you take Belgium.
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Re: Chainsaw Diplmacy

Postby nanooktheeskimo » 17 Nov 2018, 23:50

Swear words and insulting words are just that—words. Like any words, used in abundance and without the backing of action they begin to lose their meaning. Used concisely and properly, they can increase clarity and/or get your message across more clearly, both of which help you achieve your goal.

Obviously there’s a line, and it’s easy to overuse both insults and swear words, but to say they have no place in communication at all is to handicap yourself and your ability to communicate unnecessarily.
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Re: Chainsaw Diplmacy

Postby blazebbc » 18 Nov 2018, 00:13

However, does calling somebody a POS every turn for three years accomplish your goals - especially when you don't communicate any demands?

Power One to Power Two:
"You are a F*** POS. I am going to wipe you out, ret**d"
(Justified as Chainsaw Diplomacy).

While I do not think profanity within itself prevents a message from being legitimate Chainsaw Diplomacy, I very much believe a somebody with strong writing skills and sharp wit can have much more effective Chainsaw Diplomacy without profanity.
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Re: Chainsaw Diplmacy

Postby V » 18 Nov 2018, 00:56

Put em on the blacklist, quitters, kingmakers, foul mouthed fools, you only have to suffer them once...
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Re: Chainsaw Diplmacy

Postby Strategus » 18 Nov 2018, 09:37

blazebbc wrote:However, does calling somebody a POS every turn for three years accomplish your goals - especially when you don't communicate any demands?

Power One to Power Two:
"You are a F*** POS. I am going to wipe you out, ret**d"
(Justified as Chainsaw Diplomacy).

While I do not think profanity within itself prevents a message from being legitimate Chainsaw Diplomacy, I very much believe a somebody with strong writing skills and sharp wit can have much more effective Chainsaw Diplomacy without profanity.

Depends. Use of such can be used to draw somebody in, and get them to do something they would not normally do. Upset their game. A bit of profanity can be the convincer at times. If people think you are an idiot, they might treat you like one, to their own detriment.
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Re: Chainsaw Diplmacy

Postby blazebbc » 18 Nov 2018, 11:07

There is a difference between a "bit" of profanity and a continual stream with no strategic purpose.
The distinction I'm trying to make is that rough language can be used with a purpose (Chainsaw Diplomacy), but that is different than continual verbal attacks.

I periodically use rough language to lure somebody into committing too many forces against me, thus opening a flank for an ally. However, in order to be effective, it is not necessary to degrade the person with profanity.






Strategus wrote:
blazebbc wrote:However, does calling somebody a POS every turn for three years accomplish your goals - especially when you don't communicate any demands?

Power One to Power Two:
"You are a F*** POS. I am going to wipe you out, ret**d"
(Justified as Chainsaw Diplomacy).

While I do not think profanity within itself prevents a message from being legitimate Chainsaw Diplomacy, I very much believe a somebody with strong writing skills and sharp wit can have much more effective Chainsaw Diplomacy without profanity.

Depends. Use of such can be used to draw somebody in, and get them to do something they would not normally do. Upset their game. A bit of profanity can be the convincer at times. If people think you are an idiot, they might treat you like one, to their own detriment.
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