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Re: Diplomacy Academy 7: What we have here is...

Postby DQ » 30 Apr 2018, 01:37

Justinrs2 wrote:It seems to me that two things prevented you from soloing: the fact Russia was so focused on bringing you down, and your lack of sufficient armies to bring France down. Even if you grab 3 or 4 coastal centers, you still wouldn't reach 18 and the rest of the board could easily unit against you.


On the right track. Russia is functionally irrelevant to my decision however - I can't count to 18. When I stab France (three dots, lets assume its perfect and goes without a hitch), what units does he pull, and what happens next?
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Re: Diplomacy Academy 7: What we have here is...

Postby Pootleflump » 30 Apr 2018, 01:41

DQ, you make me work........

Ok....

If you pivoted after securing StP and stabbed France in 1906/1907, those two French fleets would have come North. Turkey's in the Ionian by 1906 and has 4 active fleets by 1907. Your fleets are a long way away. He'd have got to the West Med before you and would have been the biggest beneficiary of the stab. Italy is a weak 3 centre power in 1906. France would have disbanded in the south and defended in the North. Turkey would have taken Italy and Iberia and potentially be in a Solo position himself.

And yes. Russia disnae like you very much. He's not going to be a big help in the land battle.
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Re: Diplomacy Academy 7: What we have here is...

Postby DQ » 30 Apr 2018, 03:12

Pootleflump wrote:DQ, you make me work........

Ok....

If you pivoted after securing StP and stabbed France in 1906/1907, those two French fleets would have come North. Turkey's in the Ionian by 1906 and has 4 active fleets by 1907. Your fleets are a long way away. He'd have got to the West Med before you and would have been the biggest beneficiary of the stab. Italy is a weak 3 centre power in 1906. France would have disbanded in the south and defended in the North. Turkey would have taken Italy and Iberia and potentially be in a Solo position himself.

And yes. Russia disnae like you very much. He's not going to be a big help in the land battle.


Oh yes - he's much more inclined to throw to Turkey (his ally) than fight him if it comes to that. I get to 17 all day, but I have to be exceptionally lucky to get to 18. I have one too many Fleets, and too far away, and France has too many armies in the middle, even if I strand them on the wrong side of Munich, I can't take his home centers fast enough to remove them - so I lose Munich, which is the dot I have to hold.
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Re: Diplomacy Academy 7: What we have here is...

Postby Pootleflump » 30 Apr 2018, 11:01

I need to work on my end game.

I seem to be able to get to 16 or 17 often enough, and just can't get that elusive last centre.

Maybe that can be your next video!
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Re: Diplomacy Academy 7: What we have here is...

Postby DQ » 30 Apr 2018, 13:05

Pootleflump wrote:I need to work on my end game.

I seem to be able to get to 16 or 17 often enough, and just can't get that elusive last centre.

Maybe that can be your next video!


I have it in mind for a future episode - but there is so much good information out there about stalemate lines, I feel like I'd be covering ground that's already been mapped out?
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Re: Diplomacy Academy 7: What we have here is...

Postby jay65536 » 30 Apr 2018, 16:20

DQ wrote:
Pootleflump wrote:I need to work on my end game.

I seem to be able to get to 16 or 17 often enough, and just can't get that elusive last centre.

Maybe that can be your next video!


I have it in mind for a future episode - but there is so much good information out there about stalemate lines, I feel like I'd be covering ground that's already been mapped out?


Disagree, DQ. People know about stalemate lines, but if you talked about it from the perspective of early planning to get past them, and where the key centers for 18 are situated with respect to them, that's something a lot of players--even some of the ones who know about stalemate lines--don't do very well.
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Re: Diplomacy Academy 7: What we have here is...

Postby boldblade » 30 Apr 2018, 16:58

DQ wrote:
Pootleflump wrote:I need to work on my end game.

I seem to be able to get to 16 or 17 often enough, and just can't get that elusive last centre.

Maybe that can be your next video!


I have it in mind for a future episode - but there is so much good information out there about stalemate lines, I feel like I'd be covering ground that's already been mapped out?


All the reading I have done on stalemate lines is so dense. I think if you did a video on that it would be a great resource and much easier for people to understand and grasp.
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Re: Diplomacy Academy 7: What we have here is...

Postby DQ » 30 Apr 2018, 18:42

boldblade wrote:
All the reading I have done on stalemate lines is so dense. I think if you did a video on that it would be a great resource and much easier for people to understand and grasp.


Good points - I'll look at it for DA8!
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Re: Diplomacy Academy 7: What we have here is...

Postby willie23 » 30 Apr 2018, 20:17

Hey DQ,

Your videos are always very informative and interesting. Thanks for the tip about forwarding press—I was getting there but I have a little problem with forwarding press to my allies. I am working on it though :)

About the stalemate lines video—can you look at a couple of finished games for me: 140489, and 141718....I was Frace in both games, and I made it to the end game with only 3 players remaining. Only, in one game the other two pushed me out of the three way draw....what do you think?

I can’t wait for the next video!

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Re: Diplomacy Academy 7: What we have here is...

Postby mhsmith0 » 04 May 2018, 07:31

DQ wrote:
boldblade wrote:
All the reading I have done on stalemate lines is so dense. I think if you did a video on that it would be a great resource and much easier for people to understand and grasp.


Good points - I'll look at it for DA8!


I think one particularly interesting question is, what are the considerations you make when trying to push past the relevant stalemate lines (E/F going for Tunis/Warsaw/Moscow; G going for Mar/Spa/Por; I/A/T going for STP, Munich, or breaking through MAO; and whatever the hell the key points are for Russia). Once you get too big, if you haven't punctured at least one key line people will just unite to stop you, but on the other hand, if you're overextended you can lose your holdings pretty fast potentially.
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