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Diplomacy Academy 7: What we have here is...

Postby DQ » 28 Apr 2018, 19:25



Featuring negotiations that took place here on Playdiplomacy.com! The players (except me) are anonymous to protect their innocence!
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Re: Diplomacy Academy 7: What we have here is...

Postby Don Juan of Austria » 28 Apr 2018, 22:23

I really enjoyed watching that. :)

If I was in your position... Well, it seems like you had an excellent relationship with France. Was a stab/solo attempt really worth it?
I don't know your actual reasons though. ;)
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Re: Diplomacy Academy 7: What we have here is...

Postby DQ » 28 Apr 2018, 22:45

Thank you!

IMO the best stabs happen when you have an excellent relationship with another player. That is what gets you the position for the stab! :twisted:
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Re: Diplomacy Academy 7: What we have here is...

Postby nanooktheeskimo » 29 Apr 2018, 01:52

Don Juan of Austria wrote:I really enjoyed watching that. :)

If I was in your position... Well, it seems like you had an excellent relationship with France. Was a stab/solo attempt really worth it?
I don't know your actual reasons though. ;)

A solo is the goal of the game, and a stab isn’t personal, or an indictment of the stabbed’s character.
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Re: Diplomacy Academy 7: What we have here is...

Postby jay65536 » 29 Apr 2018, 03:37

This is a really good video--and also, from the 4 games I've played on this site, I think you picked a situation that it would help a LOT of the site regulars improve their game by studying. When I watched this video I saw shades of my 2003-04 game in the Russian negotiations. I hope I've learned a lot since then about how to play!
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Re: Diplomacy Academy 7: What we have here is...

Postby Groo » 29 Apr 2018, 05:15

DQ, so those are your videos! Just wanted to say I've enjoyed the world championship series a lot. Thanks for your effort, the quality content on diplomacy is rather scarce so I just wanted to give you a big thumbs up for what you're doing!

edit: just watched this video.
This Russia is just plain bad - you simply don't do stuff like that. :shock:
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Re: Diplomacy Academy 7: What we have here is...

Postby Pootleflump » 29 Apr 2018, 14:44

Ok, DQ. You know I love your videos.

I'm still a relative newbie to this ol' game, still learning, but I'm going to have a stab at your puzzle. Why didn't you go for the solo?

I'm thinking that in 1906, if you wanted to create the optimum conditions for a solo, then you should have flipped back (after taking StP and making sure Russia couldn't do you any damage). Keeping Russia alive but small (with the carrot of possibly making it into the draw) to keep the pressure on France in the centre of the board. You have StP and Scandi, so he couldn't take dots from you, you're safe, so he'd have to keep pressure on France and Italy if he wanted to grow.

That would have allowed you to flip back and direct your units West.

To get to 18, you still needed other powers to exert pressure on F/I. But your relationship with Russia had broken down to such an extent he was never going to be a good vassal and you had to focus on eliminating him. That is resource (Eastern army) intensive for you and benefits F/I.

I had a similar situation in a recent game as England (140210). I DID flip back to France after taking StP, but made the mistake of taking too much of France out. Turkey capitalised. I could get to 17 but couldn't get my 18th centre. That ended in a 3WD too (even though I went for the solo). Reflecting on it, I think I could have solo'd if I'd played it slightly differently.
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Re: Diplomacy Academy 7: What we have here is...

Postby DQ » 30 Apr 2018, 00:38

Groo wrote:DQ, so those are your videos! Just wanted to say I've enjoyed the world championship series a lot. Thanks for your effort, the quality content on diplomacy is rather scarce so I just wanted to give you a big thumbs up for what you're doing!

edit: just watched this video.
This Russia is just plain bad - you simply don't do stuff like that. :shock:


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Re: Diplomacy Academy 7: What we have here is...

Postby DQ » 30 Apr 2018, 00:39

Pootleflump wrote:Ok, DQ. You know I love your videos.

I'm still a relative newbie to this ol' game, still learning, but I'm going to have a stab at your puzzle. Why didn't you go for the solo?

I'm thinking that in 1906, if you wanted to create the optimum conditions for a solo, then you should have flipped back (after taking StP and making sure Russia couldn't do you any damage). Keeping Russia alive but small (with the carrot of possibly making it into the draw) to keep the pressure on France in the centre of the board. You have StP and Scandi, so he couldn't take dots from you, you're safe, so he'd have to keep pressure on France and Italy if he wanted to grow.

That would have allowed you to flip back and direct your units West.

To get to 18, you still needed other powers to exert pressure on F/I. But your relationship with Russia had broken down to such an extent he was never going to be a good vassal and you had to focus on eliminating him. That is resource (Eastern army) intensive for you and benefits F/I.

I had a similar situation in a recent game as England (140210). I DID flip back to France after taking StP, but made the mistake of taking too much of France out. Turkey capitalised. I could get to 17 but couldn't get my 18th centre. That ended in a 3WD too (even though I went for the solo). Reflecting on it, I think I could have solo'd if I'd played it slightly differently.


You're VERY close - in fact, you have the answer, but you haven't articulated it. And don't forget Turkey.
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Re: Diplomacy Academy 7: What we have here is...

Postby Justinrs2 » 30 Apr 2018, 00:48

It seems to me that two things prevented you from soloing: the fact Russia was so focused on bringing you down, and your lack of sufficient armies to bring France down. Even if you grab 3 or 4 coastal centers, you still wouldn't reach 18 and the rest of the board could easily unit against you.
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