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Support

PostPosted: 22 May 2008, 14:49
by Hyakari
I'm having a little disagreement with my ally.

F Portugal Supports F Spain(sc)
F Spain(sc) Supports F Mid-Atlantic Ocean - Western Mediterranean

Is the Portuguese support valid or not? He says yes, because the fleet in Spain doesn't move, but I think not, as the fleet in Spain doesn't hold.

Re: Support

PostPosted: 22 May 2008, 17:38
by Master Radishes
It is. The fleet in Spain does hold - it's not moving anywhere, is it? - it's just also supporting at the same time.

Re: Support

PostPosted: 24 May 2008, 03:07
by Kunclunk
Master Radishes wrote:It is. The fleet in Spain does hold - it's not moving anywhere, is it? - it's just also supporting at the same time.


I think, the best term do say it is not HOLD. But,

Portugal SUPPORT Spain (SC) in Spain (SC)

As long as the unit in Spain (SC) STAYS in Spain (SC), the support will be valid. The message that we get after we fill in the order for a unit at the bottom left screen is correct. But not in the message tab, because it will show you HOLD.

Re: Support

PostPosted: 24 May 2008, 03:08
by Kunclunk
Kunclunk wrote:But not in the message tab, because it will show you HOLD.


I mean the ORDERS tab...

Re: Support

PostPosted: 24 May 2008, 06:03
by mdmuff
Kunclunk wrote:
Master Radishes wrote:It is. The fleet in Spain does hold - it's not moving anywhere, is it? - it's just also supporting at the same time.


I think, the best term do say it is not HOLD. But,

Portugal SUPPORT Spain (SC) in Spain (SC)

As long as the unit in Spain (SC) STAYS in Spain (SC), the support will be valid. The message that we get after we fill in the order for a unit at the bottom left screen is correct. But not in the message tab, because it will show you HOLD.


And the unit in Spain (SC) does not attempt to move from the space. If they move and are bounced, the support order will be invalid. They must either hold position or support another unit's movements for the support to be valid.

Re: Support

PostPosted: 24 May 2008, 10:38
by Hyakari
Thank you! So two units can support each other to hold, forcing an attacker to use a combined force of three to dislodge one of them?

Re: Support

PostPosted: 24 May 2008, 12:08
by Kemsyt
I know this is someone elses topic, but I am curious. Does the same thing apply to convoying fleets?

Re: Support

PostPosted: 24 May 2008, 13:12
by Diplomat
Hyakari, yes, your interunit support scheme is correct, each unit is supported in place forcing the application of a 3v2, in some combination, to force you out. Note that 1 unit of the 3v2 could attack the supporting unit, which then means the attacked space would be taken in a 2v1 action. Got it?

Re: Support

PostPosted: 24 May 2008, 13:14
by Diplomat
Kemsyt,

The same holds with fleets that are convoying. They can be supported in place while they convoy an army, since they don't technically move. This is a good way to make sure the convoy goes forward in hostile waters, since a displacement breaks the convoy.

Re: Support

PostPosted: 24 May 2008, 15:58
by Hyakari
Thank you!