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nonasked for support?

Postby LordHaHa » 21 Mar 2008, 03:34

Can one country support an attack from a second country without their knowledge? For example, Turkey owns Ankara, Con, and Smyrna and has armies in Ank and Con--in order to hold all 3, Turkey orders A Ank to Smy and A Con to Smy--knowing they will both stay where they are. But can Russia, if they have an army in Armenia, support Turkey's move from Ank to Smy? Without Turkey's knowledge? Thus forcing Turkey's army in Ank to Smy?
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Re: nonasked for support?

Postby mdmuff » 21 Mar 2008, 03:41

No. You cannot force an army to dislodge/bounce it's own nation's army.

But, you can support another nation's unit without their knowledge in hopes of forcing them moving into somewhere, as long as it is against a foreign nation's units and not their own.
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Re: nonasked for support?

Postby revans » 21 Mar 2008, 08:27

If Turkey wants to stay there I'd have them support each other to hold... But that was probably just for an example.

mdmuff is right. I like to support units of countries that have surrendered and are just sitting there holding, to prevent a competitor from being able to conquer them. I'm sure its rather frustrating for them and it keeps the enemy from growing at a time that I don't have enough units in the area.
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Re: nonasked for support?

Postby ZenDragon » 22 Mar 2008, 17:58

I've also supported a country that I wasn't allied with in an instance where they were being attacked by one of my enemies. The other country wasn't returning any of my messages, but I saw that he needed my support or would lose a vital territory. It helped tip the diplomatic balance in my favor and a neutral country became very friendly with me after that.
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Re: nonasked for support?

Postby MelkMan » 25 Mar 2008, 08:48

LordHaHa wrote:Can one country support an attack from a second country without their knowledge? For example, Turkey owns Ankara, Con, and Smyrna and has armies in Ank and Con--in order to hold all 3, Turkey orders A Ank to Smy and A Con to Smy--knowing they will both stay where they are. But can Russia, if they have an army in Armenia, support Turkey's move from Ank to Smy? Without Turkey's knowledge? Thus forcing Turkey's army in Ank to Smy?

That IS a legal move. Unwanted support is a nice tactic too. They're not attacking a space occupied with a unit they control, so it goes through. IF they had a unit in Smy it wouldn't, but the purpose of the self standoff is to defend 3 spaces with 2 units.
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Re: nonasked for support?

Postby revans » 28 Mar 2008, 03:48

ooh, yeah, I think you might be right. I didn't read carefully and assumed Turkey already had a unit sitting there. I know you can't dislodge your own unit, but bouncing? I'm not sure.
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Re: nonasked for support?

Postby RadioactiveSushi » 29 Mar 2008, 17:01

What if Russia had a unit in Smy? I know you can't dislodge your own unit, and I'm pretty sure you can't support a foreign unit to dislodge a unit you own - but I just wanted to check.
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Re: nonasked for support?

Postby behnam » 29 Mar 2008, 18:04

RadioactiveSushi wrote:What if Russia had a unit in Smy? I know you can't dislodge your own unit, and I'm pretty sure you can't support a foreign unit to dislodge a unit you own - but I just wanted to check.


There would be a bounce, because as you said, you can't dislodge your own unit.
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